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<b> Group Lobbies for Guns to Prevent Terror Acts
The Moscow Times ^ | 6 Februart 2003 | Kevin O'Flynn

Posted on 02/06/2003 7:04:47 AM PST by AVV

Group Lobbies for Guns to Prevent Terror Acts

By Kevin O'Flynn Staff Writer Last fall's siege of the Dubrovka theater by armed Chechens sparked much debate on how the attack could have been prevented. A new organization believes it has the answer: Let the population arm itself.

That way, the group's members say, instead of accepting their fate, the hostages could have pulled out their legally registered handguns and fought off their captors.

"It would have been impossible to hold [hundreds of] people if one in 10 potential hostages were armed," said Andrei Vasilievsky, head of the newly formed Civil Arms Union, or Soyuz Grazdanskoye Oruzhiye, which is lobbying for all Russians to have the right to carry arms.

Less than a week after the end of the siege, Vasilievsky and his supporters sent a letter to the government, calling for the repeal of gun control laws.

Current legislation allows Russian citizens to buy smooth-barrelled firearms for hunting and self-defense after undergoing a mental examination and a background check for any past criminal record. Those guns must be kept at home in secure metal containers.

The idea of loosening gun control in a country with one of the highest murder rates in the world may seem foolhardy to some, but the union insists it would allow a population buffeted by crime and left vulnerable by ineffective law enforcement to defend itself properly.

The front page of the union's web site declares: "If you understand that the policeman cannot protect you from attack in your favorite place, from your home's entryway to the wild forest ... you're with us. Because weapons are independence and responsibility."

The staunchest opposition to the union comes from the Interior Ministry, the federal agency that oversees the country's police force.

"The Interior Ministry's position is negative," Leonid Vedenov, deputy head of the ministry's organized crime department, said in a recent interview. "And so is public opinion."

Vedenov said those lobbying for the right to carry arms are doing so in the interest of gunmakers.

Vasilievsky said the ministry opposed the union's proposals because of its conservatism and because it was trying to preserve its profitable private security business.

He also said the strict gun possession laws now in effect help police when they need to frame somebody. A single shell found on a person could be used "to fabricate criminal cases," he said.

Many of the union's arguments echo those of the powerful U.S. organization, the National Rifle Association.

Like the NRA, the union considers the carrying of arms to be a civil right and protection not only for a person's life but for his property.

"If we want our society to be democratic, this is one of the rights we have to have," said Andrei Nasomov, a supporter of the arms union and an advocate for the rights of small business.

Nasomov said small businesses were in special need of self-defense, squeezed from both sides by criminals and corrupt police.

The union also says the right to bear arms would cut crime figures rather than boost them, citing recent increases in gun crime in Britain and Australia since the introduction of tighter gun control.

Although more than 6 million guns are legally registered nationwide, they are used in only 1,000 out of the 5,000 to 7,000 crimes involving guns annually, said Valery Polozov, an expert with the State Duma's Security Committee and a supporter of the union

Matthew Bennet, spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety, said he was skeptical about the union's arguments.

"There's no evidence that criminals are worried about victims carrying guns," Bennet said in a telephone interview from New York. "There's no relation between the loosening of gun control and a drop in the crime rate."

Gun control advocates need not worry yet about measures allowing the public to arm themselves. Vasilievsky, who is vice president of the political think tank Panorama, admits that his initiative has little public support.

In the run up to December's Duma elections, the union will send out questionnaires to candidates asking them to declare their stand on gun control. The results will be publicized in a tactic used successfully by the NRA in the United States. The union's eventual aim is to form a nonfaction group in the Duma to back their cause.

Kept afloat for now by activists' payments, the group hopes eventually to attract the support of the gun industry.

"We will need three to four years to build up," said Polozov, adding that there is no support at present in the Duma.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: activist; banglist; bear; civilarmsunion; firearm; gun; handgun; keep; law; right; russia; selfdefence; sgo; weapon
Name of article is misleading. It's about right to keep and bear. Also there plenty of little mistakes. For example not 6 but only 4,5 millions of gun registered legally. (Author plus gas pistols probably.) And general number of murders is about 30.000, not 5-7.000. And Vedenov isn't chief of organised crime fight division. He head department specialised just on gegistering of guns.
1 posted on 02/06/2003 7:04:48 AM PST by AVV
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To: AVV
Christianity in the schools, a flat 10% Tax, a non PC reponse to Islamic terroroists,few environmentalists, millions upon millions of square miles of untouched land, and now the right to bear arms? I'm moving!
2 posted on 02/06/2003 7:13:57 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: AVV; *bang_list; Shooter 2.5; Squantos
Excellent post! It is not surprising that the victims of terror in Moscow are being held hostage by those who would be the political masters just as many in the United States are.

Though there have been many and great improvements in Russia and elsewhere in the former Soviet Union so far as the establishment of liberty and personal involvement in security efforts are concerned, there remains much work still to be done- and in America also we must attend to several similar chores as well. But it is good to see that in both places there are those attending to that work.

A suspicion: in both places, a particularly strong voice will come from veterans of military service both knowledgable and effective in the use of firearms for personal defense, and who have already demonstrated their service to their fellow citizens. And they are not wisely dismissed by the apparatchniks and nomenklatura who have not so served, who are then rightfully liable to charges of personal cowardice.

-archy-/-

3 posted on 02/06/2003 8:25:42 AM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: AVV
Blam!
4 posted on 02/06/2003 8:27:39 AM PST by lodwick (You're the man Al.)
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To: AVV
""The Interior Ministry's position is negative," Leonid Vedenov, deputy head of the ministry's organized crime department, said in a recent interview. "And so is public opinion."

We have heard lies like this before. The majority of the People will choose Freedom every time. Let's hope for Russia's People the licensing isn't abused like it is here. Let's hope they don't even need a license.

5 posted on 02/06/2003 8:33:27 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: AVV
How about if this Russian group were to link up with Gun Owners of America?
Maybe way more useful to them than the NRA, which is much too sensitive to public opinion and political correctness, I think, to be willing to help our Russian friends.

(See MY formerly Russian little friend at
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Feb/2003265028452620656925.jpg )
6 posted on 02/06/2003 8:52:27 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Red Boots
and now the right to bear arms? I'm moving!

It doesn't seem like they are going to get that right restored soon, but it looks like they are be moving in that direction.
I believe that Russia will become the new "Land of the Free". I don't know about my lifetime but soon. So many reasons why is is prime for recovery.

7 posted on 02/06/2003 9:01:42 AM PST by stevio
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To: AVV
Because weapons are independence and responsibility...

A government more interested in control than in representation is profoundly threatened by both independence and personal responsibility on the part of its citizens.

8 posted on 02/06/2003 9:15:46 AM PST by Billthedrill
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Russia to be the new "Land of the Free"... I also think there is a good possibility of this. My grandmother's family left Russia for Kansas and freedom in the late 1850's; wouldn't be ironic to have to return to Russia for Freedom?
9 posted on 02/06/2003 10:05:50 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: Redbob
It is not connected today.

So if you connected with GOA it would be good to create contact. Civic Arms site is www.samooborona.ru (ciryllic) mail is handgun@narod.ru Best wishes

10 posted on 02/07/2003 3:49:17 AM PST by AVV
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