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Libertarian Party: Bush's Dirty Little Budget Secret
Libertarian Party press release ^ | February 5, 2003 | George Getz

Posted on 02/05/2003 9:00:28 PM PST by Commie Basher

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To: Dane
Huh, the three major pro-pot state intiatives(Arizona, Nevada, and Ohio) on the ballot last November all went down to defeat.

Huh? Anyone who wants drugs can get drugs, easily and quickly. Dealers, users and traffickers know that more than anyone. And that is winning the war? LOL

41 posted on 02/06/2003 7:48:17 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Capitalism2003
After all of Bush's tax cuts are implemented, the rates will still be higher than they were before his father rasied them.
42 posted on 02/06/2003 7:50:44 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
Huh? Anyone who wants drugs can get drugs, easily and quickly. Dealers, users and traffickers know that more than anyone. And that is winning the war? LOL

LOL! Looking at the results of last November, it seems that the American people are not buying the Libertarian arguement, that validating drugs is the panacea.

That's the reality. Sorry that you don't like it.

Oh yeah one pro-pot intiative passed last November and it was in that "conservative" bastion called San Francisco, correct?

43 posted on 02/06/2003 7:53:52 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
You talk about votes as if they were results.

Anyone can get drugs anytime and more people use drugs than did before your second prohibition started. It has failed in all it's goals.

That's the reality. Sorry that you don't like it.

44 posted on 02/06/2003 8:08:58 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
I don't like Bush's reckless nonmilitary spending if thats what you mean. I do suggest that libertarians go from the party to the conspiracy.
45 posted on 02/06/2003 8:09:22 AM PST by weikel (Your commie has no regard for human life not even his own)
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To: ThomasJefferson
Anyone can get drugs anytime and more people use drugs than did before your second prohibition started. It has failed in all it's goals.

Really? That famous chart from drugwarfacts.org showed that drug use peaked per capita in 1980 and has been going down since.

And oh yeah another interesting corollary, 1980 was the year the Libertarian party got it's most votes, the same year drug use peaked.

46 posted on 02/06/2003 8:13:10 AM PST by Dane
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To: weikel
I was merely commenting that almost all of the comments on the thread were connected with the Libertarian Party in one way or another. Nothing on the substance of the article. They are all off topic.

Now a drug user and trafficker who claims to have quit is trying to turn it into a thread on the WOD. All of this to avoid the substance of the article.

I'm not saying you are trying to avoid it, just that when you make comments on different topics, like the Libertarian Party, it plays right into their hands and helps them to change the subject to something other than big spending Republicans who are trying to outflank the Democrats on their left.

47 posted on 02/06/2003 8:16:14 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Dane
You are delusional if you think drug use is down. And the fact remains that anyone can get drugs anytime they want.

If they want drugs, they can always look you up as well, your fellow stoners are probably still in business.

48 posted on 02/06/2003 8:18:57 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Capitalism2003
At least, I HOPE that is what the agenda is.

I will bet you or any other poster whatever you wish that overall federal spending NEVER decreases under either the Demopublicans or the Repocrats.

They don't even TALK about "smaller government" any more.

And there'll always be a silly excuse of one kind or another.

50 posted on 02/06/2003 8:23:53 AM PST by jimt
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To: ThomasJefferson
Now a drug user and trafficker who claims to have quit is trying to turn it into a thread on the WOD. All of this to avoid the substance of the article.

I knew it that when you are losing an arguement, your bitter ad hominems oozes out for everyone to see.

Like it or not drug use is down since it peaked in 1980 and that really irks you that people aren't following your yellow brick road of "Liberty" and breaking their shackles to light up a doobie or whip out a crack pipe on every street corner to decalre their independence from the statists, who "chain" us.

JMO, but I think you are the same road as Abbie Hoffman with your bitterness.

51 posted on 02/06/2003 8:26:57 AM PST by Dane
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To: BUSHdude2000
... limpertarians...

What's limp is your logic. Keep drinking the Koolaid and paying your ever increasing taxes, komrade. Watch the welfare state beggar your family while you support freeloaders who raise criminals. And whatever you do, always vote republican, even if the candidate has a noodle for a spine and a vacuum for a brain.

Da !

52 posted on 02/06/2003 8:29:56 AM PST by jimt
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To: Dane
I'm not bitter, and I made no personal attack. I recited history. You can't run away from your past.

Drugs use is not down despite whatever "source" on the internet you use that fits your fancy. And the fact remains, anyone can get drugs anytime. The second prohibition doesn't work any better than the first one did. And one of us never used any ilict drugs, and that person is me. The other person, the one accusing people of using, is the admitted user.

And the topic of this thread is Republican spending. Focus, focus, you can do it.

53 posted on 02/06/2003 8:37:35 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
I'm not bitter, and I made no personal attack. I recited history. You can't run away from your past.

Yep I guess I will always have to live with the shame of campaigning for the 1980 Libertarian candidate for President(Ed Clarke).

54 posted on 02/06/2003 8:41:53 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
The subject is Republican spending, not your drug usage.
55 posted on 02/06/2003 8:45:30 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: weikel
They have...check out the Republican Liberty Caucus (www.rlc.org) Although not offically affiliated with the LP, we share many of the same principles.
56 posted on 02/06/2003 3:32:40 PM PST by Brytani
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To: Dane
LOL! Looking at the results of last November, it seems that the American people are not buying the Libertarian arguement, that validating drugs is the panacea.

That's the reality. Sorry that you don't like it.

The American people do not want to win the war on drugs. Oh yeah, they may say they do. But to win it, the US must adopt Draconian measures that the people wouldn't stand for. So Americans' votes mean nothing.

It's like the speeding limit and mandatory seat belts. Most people "think it's a good idea" and vote for it. But then they ignore the same laws they voted for.

And most Americans want lower taxes and less govt -- but they also want more services and protection.

So yeah, Americans may want to vote away drugs -- but they do not want to win the drug war, not at the cost of civil liberties that would be required.

The war on drugs is lost, as is the war on taxes and less govt. It's because the sheeple want contradictory things, and the politicians know it.

Bush = Clinton
Ashcroft = Reno

57 posted on 02/06/2003 9:07:57 PM PST by Commie Basher
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To: Capitalism2003
2006--Libertarian Caucus formed within the Republican party...They push the GOP further to the right...eventually reducing taxes by 90% on every American.

Thanks for the laugh.

In principle I agree our income tax rate should be around 0% to 3 %. That dream is never going to happen.

Hears a hint: The Libertarian Party will never get enough support from the general public to pass that type of policy until they clean up their positions on drugs and abortion.

The vast majority of Americans are completely clueless on what affects their lives. Most think what was on the last Simpson's episode is far more important than what their congress critter is stealing from them.

59 posted on 02/07/2003 2:40:47 AM PST by JZoback
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To: Capitalism2003
another side note..

2004--Libertarians realize they will never be a major party.

2005--Libertarians begin to run (and win) as Republicans.

2006--Libertarian Caucus formed within the Republican party...They push the GOP further to the right...eventually reducing taxes by 90% on every American.

2010--Average tax rate for Americans = 5%

--Government's only functions are roads, courts, and defense (maybe a library or two)

--America reaches 35 trillion dollar GDP.

--The only democrats left are in the history books :) It's a wonderful dream... I hope it comes true. Bush is a great leader. There. That's my preface statement. The country is in FAR better hands than it has been since Reagen, especially considering world events since his Oath. Now, I can't see the underlying purpose behind every one of his ideas. Cutting taxes like this and then jacking up spending really, on a conservative level, doesn't seem to make sense. Hopefully, there is a plan that I am not seeing.

60 posted on 02/07/2003 3:19:50 AM PST by B. Rabbit (The French? Never heard of 'em.)
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