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TWO TEXANS CHARGED WITH STEALING SHUTTLE DEBRIS
AP Breaking News ^ | 5 February 2003 | Joseph Verrengia

Posted on 02/05/2003 2:02:05 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

LUFKIN, Texas (AP) - Two Texans were indicted Wednesday on federal charges they stole pieces of space shuttle Columbia that had dropped onto the countryside. Federal officials in Texas also declared an amnesty period extending until 5 p.m. Friday, during which people who have collected shuttle debris can turn it in without fear of being prosecuted. After that, prosecutions will resume, they said. Merrie Hipp, 43, of Henderson, was charged with theft of government property for allegedly stealing a shuttle circuit board on Saturday.

Bradley Justin Gaudet, 23, of Nacogdoches, was charged in a separate incident with stealing a piece of thermal insulating fabric. Gaudet is a student at Steven F. Austin State University. "The issue here is the thermodynamics of the space shuttle and any piece of that is important to this investigation," said U.S. Attorney Michael Shelby. "No one knows which piece will unravel the mystery." The charges carry a maximum of 10 years in prison and a fine of $250,000. Both defendants awaited arraignment Wednesday afternoon.

Authorities said they are conducting at least 17 investigations into reports of people taking shuttle debris as souvenirs. They would not give specifics or comment on whether those cases were related to attempts by people to sell purported shuttle debris on eBay. "These two individuals are first," Orwig said. "There is no particular threshold. They are an example, whether it's our intention or not. Authorities urged members of the public to take advantage of the amnesty period. "If you turn the piece over and describe where you found the piece, we will not prosecute you," Orwig said.


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To: shadowman99
Most people will turn things in and I'll bet you there'll be more stuff out there in the field that will never be found, than stuff in souvenir hunters' garages. These prosecutors are eager beavers, but as I said earlier, crimes against government interests are on top of the list, space shuttle or no space shuttle!
61 posted on 02/05/2003 3:10:16 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Someone left the cake out in the rain I dont think that I can take it coz it took so long to bake it)
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To: Senator Pardek
It seems some on this thread think that's wrong...

Some on this thread think that prosecuting someone over a multi-state debris field from something as big as a space shuttle is prosecutorial over-reach, perhaps.

62 posted on 02/05/2003 3:11:10 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: an amused spectator
Yes. Anyone finding a piece of shuttle years from now will be motivated to wrap it up well, throw it in the trash, and shut up.

They should be offering rewards for pieces of shuttle.
63 posted on 02/05/2003 3:13:15 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: an amused spectator
I been here just a tad longer than you, newbie...

Yeah, and there's people who've been in Washington forever who don't belong either.

Your "toilet paper" remarks are an attempt to demean the serious nature of what has happened. Circut boards, heat tiles, pieces of the hull - these are not trivial items.

A piece of a Solid Rocket Booster that was fished out of the ocean confirmed the cause of the Challenger accident - A burn hole at the joint of the rocket showed an O ring failure had allowed exhaust to vent toward the fuel tank.

But you don't see any merit in investigating an accident, I guess. Let me know if someone special in your life dies in a crash. I'll send you (and I'll even Overnight Express it) a roll of toilet paper.

64 posted on 02/05/2003 3:14:35 PM PST by shadowman99
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To: drlevy88
NOW you're talking! Lay out guidelines for the Easter egg hunt, similar to those Hunble posted, and call it a citizen-driven national investigation.

From reading some of the above posts, I get the idea that many of those posters aren't aware of the huge scope of the debris field, and the number of pieces of detritus involved.

It's as if they've never looked at the median of a freeway, and wondered where all that stuff came from.

65 posted on 02/05/2003 3:19:58 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: an amused spectator
I know astronauts cannot wear jewelry, but assuming they could, would it "overreach" to prosecute someone who kept a ring or bracelet?
66 posted on 02/05/2003 3:20:26 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
The thieves did not kill anyone, the money was not tax dollars. This is tax dollars and seven people died. Jail the idiots.
67 posted on 02/05/2003 3:20:45 PM PST by cynicom
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To: lawgirl
I cannot believe there are people that see this behavior as acceptable.

Me either. This is one of the most useless arguments I've ever seen on FR. If a car crashes on my property, that doesn't make the car (or its occupants) mine to do with as I please. Even if it were not specifically illegal, it is unethical. And as for the specious 'taxpayer' angle, a taxpayer-funded entity is owned by taxpayers as a whole, not any one single taxpayer. By that logic, I would be within my rights to go and take an aircraft carrier for my own personal use.

More nebulous would be if someone found something and kept it, not knowing it came from the shuttle. That would be difficult to prosecute.

68 posted on 02/05/2003 3:21:48 PM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell (Whoever said "No man is an island" has never seen Ted Kennedy snorkeling.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
The Lockerbie bombing case was cracked because investigators found a piece of printed circuit board smaller than a thumbnail.
69 posted on 02/05/2003 3:24:16 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (I don't believe in hyphenating Americans)
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To: shadowman99
Your "toilet paper" remarks are an attempt to demean the serious nature of what has happened. Circut boards, heat tiles, pieces of the hull - these are not trivial items.

Your "holy 5/16 bolt" remarks are an attempt to lend credence to a crowd of over-reaching prosecutors who regularly look the other way when their pals, the politicians, are busy shredding the Constitution daily.

I understand the need for an investigation, but bringing down a fairly fragile vehicle at 12,000 mph lends itself to these sorts of things. They need to chalk it up to experience and move on to another method. Spend the money on a new method, not re-hashing the obvious.

70 posted on 02/05/2003 3:26:02 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: Senator Pardek
I know astronauts cannot wear jewelry, but assuming they could, would it "overreach" to prosecute someone who kept a ring or bracelet?

Nope. You know me, Senator - I'm not a one-size-fits-all cookie cutter kind of guy.

71 posted on 02/05/2003 3:27:43 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: an amused spectator
We shoulda known better - it doesn't take much to get them stirred up, talking about "national tragedy", "taxpayer money" and other weighty things us mortals never consider down here below the moral heights they've all climbed to occupy, just like the Lefties like to do, incidentally. The Church Ladies out in force. Halleluyah! No one's excusing the souvenir hunters. It's as if they didn't understand "prosecutorial over-reach" or "grandstanding"! Why, they're grandstanding themselves. Sheesh!
72 posted on 02/05/2003 3:28:24 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Someone left the cake out in the rain I dont think that I can take it coz it took so long to bake it)
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
If a car crashes on my property, that doesn't make the car (or its occupants) mine to do with as I please.

Bad analogy, unless your property is the King Ranch, and the car exploded at several thousand feet. Get a grip.

73 posted on 02/05/2003 3:30:18 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: Revolting cat!
The Church Ladies out in force.

Geez, I was wondering where those umbrella marks on my head came from. :-)

74 posted on 02/05/2003 3:31:16 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
Excellent analogy. I agree as well that intent needs to play some sort of role in determining guilt in "accidentally" keeping Shuttle debris. My gut tells me reasonableness will be the standard- was it reasonble to assume that piece was NOT part of the shuttle. Like finding a few nuts and bolts- clearly they could be from anywhere. However, I don't think finding a circuit board on your property can be hidden under the guise of ignorance.
75 posted on 02/05/2003 3:32:50 PM PST by lawgirl
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To: an amused spectator
And, if the finder happens to turn in the first piece of the shuttle which solves the mystery of why it crashed, far from being fined $250,000 -- they should be awarded $250,000.
76 posted on 02/05/2003 3:34:24 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: drlevy88
Yes. Anyone finding a piece of shuttle years from now will be motivated to wrap it up well, throw it in the trash, and shut up

No they won't. They'll leave it on the ground and call NASA.

77 posted on 02/05/2003 3:34:52 PM PST by lawgirl
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To: an amused spectator
Bad analogy, unless your property is the King Ranch, and the car exploded at several thousand feet. Get a grip.

Get a grip? What does the location/altitude have to do with it? How is it ethical to withhold evidence? I resent the implication that I'm unreasonable for trying to insure that the investigators have the best possible chance to figure out why Columbia crashed. And I am puzzled as to why some of you are defending those who would inhibit such an investigation. I don't necessarily agree with the 1/4 million fine and lengthy prison time -- I merely say that it is unethical to knowingly keep evidence of an accident.

78 posted on 02/05/2003 3:36:21 PM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell (Whoever said "No man is an island" has never seen Ted Kennedy snorkeling.)
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To: lawgirl
However, I don't think finding a circuit board on your property can be hidden under the guise of ignorance.

lolololol how many millions of consumer products contain circuit boards? The only determinative factor should be if the person is both knowledgeable (as in being able to identify aerospace technology) AND brazen enough to brag about having a piece of the shuttle.

79 posted on 02/05/2003 3:37:45 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: lawgirl
No they won't. They'll leave it on the ground and call NASA.

lolololol as if everyone wouldn't have picked it up and taken it into their house before realizing what it was. In which case it has their fingerprints and fiber forensics, so the trash and shut up method would be the only way to keep themselves safe from prosecutorial overreaching.

80 posted on 02/05/2003 3:39:42 PM PST by drlevy88
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