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Hmm..this is just coming up now?
1 posted on 02/05/2003 1:23:55 PM PST by ewing
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The crew was asked to photograph the external tank upon separation.
59 posted on 02/05/2003 1:51:17 PM PST by Cooter
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"Took pictures of the underside of the wing."????

From where, with what?
Weren't no spacewalks or CANDU arms!!!
97 posted on 02/05/2003 2:18:57 PM PST by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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Actual photo from STS-107 (Columbia's last flight), including the wings

The left wing of the shuttle appears on the right (since this view looks backward). Note that this is the *best* view available from any of the cabin windows. The other aft window has a poorer angle of the left wing, and the wings can't be seen at all from the other windows. You can see some portion of the wings clearly, but a lot is obscured by the orbiter body itself.

The Spacehab itself had two small windows, but the forward one is covered by an *external* cover in the above photo, which could not have been removed during the flight -- presumably the rear window was likewise covered for the same reason and unusable. Even if it was left open, it would have been on the right rear of the Spacehab and mounted low enough that it probably didn't have any view of the left wing at all over the "wall" of the payload bay.

What can be seen of the left wing here, however, looks just fine.

106 posted on 02/05/2003 2:25:22 PM PST by Ichneumon
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I do not think this is important, or new.

The ground informed them to look for damage and take some pics. They also take pics of the tank after separation as a matter of course.

The statement says nothing about any observed damage, but only that they were concerned, and we know that already via the briefings.

130 posted on 02/05/2003 3:03:00 PM PST by Cold Heat
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this is just coming up now?

No. The crew knew quite well.

136 posted on 02/05/2003 3:09:35 PM PST by RightWhale
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I woke up at 10:00 am on Saturday and turned the radio on.
I thought the commentator was doing a retrospective of the Challenger crash.
154 posted on 02/05/2003 5:06:29 PM PST by Slyfox
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NASA has a protective beaurocratic mentality. They have been fighting for money for so long a time, and manipulating news and facts to get it, that the bad habits have become ingrained, and the organization is a collective physcological mess. Letting it all hang out is an absolutely foreign concept to it.

My layperson's guess is that the Columbia will never fly again, and should not fly again, and lots of NASA types, and lots of ancilliary contractors, should all be put out of jobs. There is a budget deficit you know.

161 posted on 02/05/2003 5:22:17 PM PST by Torie
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Maybe someone is playing a hoax on the Senator.
185 posted on 02/05/2003 7:39:49 PM PST by Rebelbase (Rock with Celtic roots at http://www.sevennations.com)
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The astronauts were doing all kinds of research using CAMERAS of all sorts. Ilan Ramon was doing research from the FREESTAR portion of the DRM where they had many instruments positioned for viewing outside the cargo bay. I have little doubt (though maybe a twinge) that he could view the TOP of the left wing. I have no doubt that he would have shared his concerns with his "roommates." I have no doubt that they would have shared their concerns with the ground, including family members. I have also read the daily flight briefings available on one of the NASA websites where the astronauts were uploading and downloading pictures and video from the ground and to the ground. The Columbia had just undergone massive overhauling.

I have no clue what brought the Columbia down. I am not a rocket scientist. I love many of the things that NASA has accomplished as a body. I hope that they will uncover what went wrong. And, the Lord willing, space exploration will go on.
198 posted on 02/06/2003 7:30:34 AM PST by petitfour
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Here's a link to STS 107 mission pics:

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-107/ndxpage22.html

Interesting pic of some place in Iran included.
199 posted on 02/06/2003 7:39:20 AM PST by petitfour
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Feb 06, 2003

No e-mail or photos, NASA says

BY A.J. HOSTETLER
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER

NASA says there is no e-mail from astronaut David Brown to his brother describing concerns from the shuttle crew over possible damage to Columbia's left wing, nor did the crew take photos of the area.

In response to televised comments made by Sen. George Allen about a con- versation Tuesday with the astronaut's brother, NASA broke its usual practice and read the exchange of e-mails between the Browns, said agency spokesman Bob Jacobs.

Attempts by The Times-Dispatch to reach the family were unsuccessful. Jacobs said a NASA official spoke with a family member yesterday.

In his remarks, Allen described a telephone conversation with Doug Brown, whose brother, an Arlington County native, was a mission specialist on the shuttle. Allen, R-Va., serves on the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee and its subcommittee that oversees that National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

Allen's office said yesterday that the senator had nothing to add to his statement that the Columbia crew photographed the left wing, which was struck shortly after launch by a piece of foam insulation that fell from one of the shuttle's external fuel tanks.

NASA says no such e-mail or photos exist.

"We have inspected the commercial communications record twice. We can find no instances of concern being expressed by David Brown," Jacobs said. "We have talked with the family. The family confirmed the conversation with the senator but could not recall any reference to any concern being expressed by the crew for their safety."

The family also could not recall anything written about photographs of the left wing, according to Jacobs. He said he could not identify the NASA official or the family member who spoke yesterday.

"Crews take lots of photos" of each other for personal use and for their work, Jacobs said.

E-mails from shuttle astronauts are considered personal property and are not usually read by NASA officials, "but under the circumstances, any potential information related to the accident has to be examined," Jacobs said.

NASA engineers confirmed that the area of the wing hit by falling debris soon after launch could not have been viewed or photographed from within the crew compartment, Jacobs said.

Suspicion over the cause of the disaster has focused on the falling debris. NASA engineers say it could have damaged the thermal tiles that protect the shuttle upon re-entry. Columbia was just minutes from landing when, speeding at more than 12,000 mph high over Texas, it broke up.

NASA engineers did not realize that the foam had struck the underside of Columbia's left wing until the day after the Jan. 16 launch, when they were watching videotapes and photographs of the liftoff. Initially, they determined that the strike would not pose a threat, but now they are reconsidering whether it might have damaged the craft.

Crew members were told about the insulation during the mission, according to NASA, but they were not alarmed by the falling debris, which had occurred on earlier missions.

"Throughout the flight, the crew were made aware of the knowledge," said Michael C. Kostelnik, NASA's deputy associate administrator for the shuttle program.

"It would not be unrealistic to expect that the crews were relating [to friends or family] that there was an issue, an anomaly on the flight, and that the engineers were looking at it. And my assumption would be that the crew accepted it in the same way," Kostelnik said yesterday.

NASA said any family members or friends of the crew who did receive e-mails relaying concerns about the left wing should contact the space agency, whose administrator was to brief senators yesterday in Washington.

In his remarks from the Senate floor Tuesday, Allen said Doug Brown told him about David Brown's concerns regarding the foam insulation.

"They communicated by e-mail when he was up in space, [that David Brown] had actually taken photographs of that wing because they were concerned about it," Allen said Tuesday. "And I said, 'Did those photographs get back? And he said, 'No, they didn't.'"


Contact A.J. Hostetler at (804) 649-6355 or ahostetler@timesdispatch.com

RTD

201 posted on 02/06/2003 3:44:23 PM PST by Ligeia
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