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Senator: Concerned Columbia Crew took Pictures of Damaged Left Wing
Florida Today.com ^ | Februrary 5, 2003 1:20PM | Staff Wire Report

Posted on 02/05/2003 1:23:55 PM PST by ewing

Crew members of the Space Shuttle Columbia were concerned about the orbiter's damaged left wing according to United States Senator George Allen. (Republican-Virginia)

One of the crew members, Mission Specialist David Brown, sent e-mail messages to his brother Doug during the mission, Allen said. In those e-mails, David Brown said that the crew took pictures of the left wing because they were concerned about it, Allen said.

The Senator was only repeating information he recieved from Doug Brown, said his spokeswoman, Carrie Cantrell. There was no phone listing for Doug Brown's home in Arlington and he could not be reached today.

A 2 and one half pound chunk of insulation foam struck the underside of the wing during lifoff as the shuttle sped upwards of 1,900 MPH last month. At the time NASA officials did not think the damage would be a problem, but the agency is now investigating the wing as a possible reason that Columbia shattered on re-entry into Earth's atmosphere on Saturday.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: Florida; US: Texas; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: columbia; feb12003; georgeallen; michaeldobbs; nasa; pictures; senator; sts107; wing
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To: Jael
CABANA: I don't -- I don't think there were any. Normally, the crew would take the pictures and stow that film, mark it and stow it for early return to Houston upon landing.

Film? That doesn't make any sense if they are looking at possible damage. I see and share your concern, Jael.

121 posted on 02/05/2003 2:45:43 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: tubebender
No.
122 posted on 02/05/2003 2:46:12 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: Ichneumon; Poohbah
Thanks you guys. I'm asking the questions that the average joe would.
123 posted on 02/05/2003 2:49:49 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: savedbygrace
I have Word under Windows 95. Came up with "Word usage. Consider alluded instead."

How about that.

124 posted on 02/05/2003 2:50:02 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Well this explains a lot. Most people are using XP these days, so maybe grammar is taking a back seat to the letters X and P. Where's Big Bird?
125 posted on 02/05/2003 2:52:13 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Jael
Do either of you know anything about the crew cabin cameras?

The crew has numerous hand-held cameras that they use to take about a zillion pictures per mission.

There are also cargo bay video cameras, which are mounted looking into the cargo bay, mounted inside the travel of the cargo bay doors.

The cargo bay video cameras wouldn't have had any better view of the wings than did the crew, due to blockages from the doors, and from (IIRC) being mounted lower than the crew cabin windows.

126 posted on 02/05/2003 2:52:18 PM PST by r9etb
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To: ewing
Challenger was caused by ice as well...

Pardon me, but the loss of the Challenger was caused by SRB O-Ring blowby due to loss of resiliance in the O-Ring material because of the 25 degree F cold temperatures, not "ice".

127 posted on 02/05/2003 2:52:24 PM PST by snopercod
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To: Sacajaweau
>>> I believe NASA said there is no way the astronauts could view the damage. <<<

Agreed: from all I have read, there is no way that the astronauts could have viewed the wing from the habitat pod. Without going out into the payload bay they couldn't have taken a picture of the wing - and even then it would have required the arm (whatever they call it) to position the camera. And even then, they would only have been able to view the top of the wing; the damage was on the bottom.

This is probably the bogus picture from the Israeli newspaper surfacing again. That picture it turns out is a picture, not of the wing, but of the payload bay and the cracks are wires duct taped to the side of the bay. So much for "informed sources"! And we know Senators are some of the least informed!!

128 posted on 02/05/2003 2:57:27 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: Fred Mertz
Thanks for the ping trying to catch up. Searching news stories now.
129 posted on 02/05/2003 3:01:43 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: ewing
I do not think this is important, or new.

The ground informed them to look for damage and take some pics. They also take pics of the tank after separation as a matter of course.

The statement says nothing about any observed damage, but only that they were concerned, and we know that already via the briefings.

130 posted on 02/05/2003 3:03:00 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Poohbah
You'd need to coordinate the satellite collecting the data to be no further than about 120 miles (4"x4" resolution), 90 miles preferred (3"x3"), at a good angle to see Columbia's underside, and with good contrast (sun behind the satellite taking the picture).

This is a nontrivial task, and given how few spy satellites we have these days, and how overtasked they are, it would be extremely difficult to line up all the wickets.

Not to mention that at a distance of 120 miles, and a relative velocity of 8500 m/sec. This requires a rotational rate of 2 degrees/second (which is a pretty high rate for high-accuracy pointing) in exactly the right direction. During the tracking event a spysat would have errors in its attitude knowledge, and jitter as it tracked, both of which will blur the image -- meaning that the 4x4 inch resolution you've cited is the absolute best you can do.

131 posted on 02/05/2003 3:05:55 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Boot Hill
then they most likely used a digital camera

No, they use 35mm high res film. Digitals do not show the details needed to compare to high res film.

This fact was discussed at a previous briefing, or interview. I do not recall where I got it.

132 posted on 02/05/2003 3:07:02 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: snopercod
geez can you be more specific??? : )
133 posted on 02/05/2003 3:07:13 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Carry_Okie
Did they have the robot arm out on this mission? It most likely has a camera.

No arm, no EVA capability.

134 posted on 02/05/2003 3:08:05 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (I don't believe in hyphenating Americans)
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To: Sundog
Acually, the so called glue is not glue at all. They use RTV silicone.
135 posted on 02/05/2003 3:09:24 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: ewing
this is just coming up now?

No. The crew knew quite well.

136 posted on 02/05/2003 3:09:35 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: El Sordo; JohnHuang2
I nominate this post for post of the day!
137 posted on 02/05/2003 3:14:38 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: r9etb; juzcuz; All
Thanks for the info.

Did you see the video from California ...??

I saw it last night on FOX around 11 pm PST. Even though it was amateur video, it was very good quality. There were evidently several people with the guy taking the video (you could hear their comments while the film was rolling). All of a sudden you could see a small bright dot in the center of the screen. It kept getting brighter and larger. Then ... just about the time it got right in front of the camera (moving left to right), a large piece of the shuttle fell away - it surprised the guy taking the video and he said, "oh my God, what was that?" It was stunning video. I don't know exactly where they were in CA, but I think it was near the AZ border (not sure). This had to be the cause of the heat spike. After that, we saw the video of several more pieces breaking off and then the explosion and more pieces falling off.
138 posted on 02/05/2003 3:17:34 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: Bernard Marx; savedbygrace
Not that you guys need it, but for those who might find it helpful: Commonly Confused Words, compiled by the University of Oregon.
139 posted on 02/05/2003 3:29:30 PM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell (Whoever said "No man is an island" has never seen Ted Kennedy snorkeling.)
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To: Poohbah
Is the MSX still operational? If so, was it busy monitoring for Iraqi SCUD launches?
140 posted on 02/05/2003 3:34:50 PM PST by bvw
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