Pentagon adviser: France 'no longer ally'

UPI ^ | 2/4/2003 | Martin Walker

[Mossad1967]

France is no longer an ally of the United States and the NATO alliance "must develop a strategy to contain our erstwhile ally or we will not be talking about a NATO alliance" the head of the Pentagon's top advisory board said in Washington Tuesday...

[jaime1959]

> The whole "chickenhawk" line of argument is a shabby attempt by liberals to silence the debate. It doesn't sell here. Why don't you take it to another site where people are stupid enough to buy into it? Like DU, for instance. <

So, only neo-con, Bush-worshipping automatons are welcome here? And anyone who disagrees with the neo-con, NWO line are leftys? Tell that to PJB, Lew Rockwell, and scores of other independent thinking conservatives.

I'm a paid contributor to FR. I'll think I'll stay here.

[dixiechick2000]

"It is now reasonable to ask whether the United States should now or on any other occasion subordinate vital national interests to a show of hands by nations who do not share our interests," he added.

Yeah!!! Now we're talking!

[carlo3b]

Wow! Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?
 

WE SURRENDER!... please someone help us!

If you are watching me, I am soooo sorry my dear little one...I couldn't help myself...

[KneelBeforeZod]

France has us like a monkey on a stick. Jump little american monkey, we are criticizing you!! Lets not be like a 3rd grader worried about what everyone else says.

best thing to do is dissuade islam immigration to the US and convince them to go to france.

let the frenchies realize just as ye sow ye shall reap.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

You don't need to excerpt UPI

Can we excerpt France and Germany? lol

[DeFault User]

A better example of an exception would be Napoleon before he decided that Moscow would be a good winter adventure.

Strange isn't it how the French made that mistake in th 19th century and the Germans did the same damn thing in the 20th century.

Now the Germans are following the French down another road to a loss. They don't seem to pick their battles very well.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Wow! Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?

They will give the French National Salute: Two hands raised into the air.

[VaBthang4]

The scuttlebutt is that the French have done terrible damage to whatever relationship we had with them. The President is said to have a different [stronger] reaction to French insubordination vs. German.

The overall impression is that Schroeder is nothing more than a semi-pro Clintonesque quizling fumbling along the national stage. Chirac on the other hand is seen to be a calculating almost stalking figure who is making deliberate decisions to thwart American and British interests in order to grow French and [Paper-tiger] European influence.

Someday both Nations [again] will need us....prayerfully our strategic interests wont be hurt if we let them die on the vine.

[Steel Wolf]

So, only neo-con, Bush-worshipping automatons are welcome here? And anyone who disagrees with the neo-con, NWO line are leftys? Tell that to PJB, Lew Rockwell, and scores of other independent thinking conservatives.

Neo-con's take their hits here, as do Bush bots. There's plenty of New World Order kooks, as well, and they take their share of punihsment.

And, as you so clearly demonstrate, there is no shortage of the Lew Rockwell, Justin Raimondo, et al 'thinking' conservatives, either. They take their licks like everyone else.

My point? When you post naiive, quasi-liberal silliness, don't act suprised and cry foul when you get fired at.

[steveegg]

Strange isn't it how the French made that mistake in th 19th century and the Germans did the same damn thing in the 20th century.

Considering that, by that time, the average Napoleonic army unit had more than its fair share of Prussians in it (at least if memory serves), it's not as strange as it appears.

Now the Germans are following the French down another road to a loss. They don't seem to pick their battles very well.

Slightly different perspective; I see the Germans leading the French along like a poodle much like they did 60 years ago. The only difference for the French is they think they found someone who won't turn on them this time.

[Rome2000]

French leaders have insisted the country will oppose any military action against Iraq without a second resolution by the United Nations Security Council, where it holds one of five crucial veto powers

The only reason the French surrender monkees are on the security council in the first place is because the USA and Britain treated France as an equal partner in the aftermath of WWII.

Half of France was allied with the Nazis!, and Vichy French fired on American troops and killed dozens.

The French have no more business on the Security Council than Japan.

As long as these snail eating arrogant obnoxious smelly frog SOB's are on the Security Council, the UN will continue to be a ridiculous joke.

[VaBthang4]

Two rounds center mass.

Good shooting.

[Greybird]

France is no longer an ally of the United States

Unfortunately, Mr. Perle, the North Atlantic Treaty -- part of the ultimate "Law of the Land," according to the U.S. Constitution -- says otherwise. You don't get to cavalierly discard allies, under treaty, that you dislike. You work with them ...

... or you give up the treaty. Or you reconsider the worth of the treaty in the first place. But neither of those possibilities ever occurs to you, does it? And we now how readily you discard the "Congress shall have the power ... to declare war" part of the Constitution.

Toss away France, and you toss away NATO. We'd be better off, anyway. We'll now soon be pledged by that treaty to go to war if Lithuania is attacked by Russia. That's worse than the "we don't apparently own any maps" guarantee given by Britain to Poland in 1939.

[Dog Gone]

Where did he imply that the US would abrogate any treaty with France or NATO?

He didn't.

However, NATO, led by FRANCE is so far refusing to send personnel to defend Turkey from attack by Iraq, which IS a violation of that treaty.

So get your facts straight before you lecture the US, okay?

[JohnMac]

Bump... When will the French realize they would be Germans if not for us???

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Pentagon official: France no longer a liability.

[section9]

So, only neo-con, Bush-worshipping automatons are welcome here? And anyone who disagrees with the neo-con, NWO line are leftys? Tell that to PJB, Lew Rockwell, and scores of other independent thinking conservatives.

Ah yes, the Jew-baiters. Every time I see PJB on the telly I expect every other phrase to include the words "Jewish" and "bankers". The guy's a flaming anti-Semite, as is Lew Rockwell, another racist ass-clown.

I went to the 1937 Parteitag Rally and a meeting of the editorial staff of Chronicles magazine broke out!

I've paid into Free Republic, too, and I would expect that you Paleo-cons would be above cheap little debating tricks like the chickenhawk argument. It's designed to stifle debate, period, because at bottom your way signals appeasement of evil, and that leads to an even wider war than we already have.

Now then. Perhaps you might want to tell me why the use of the term "chickenhawk" is a defensible debating tactic?

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[oldtimer]

There are a lot of good things that could happen to the froggies including hygene, but add humility.

Where did these pieces of dog clinton ever get the idea that they were anything but a second rate socialist state?

Am happy to announce that I shot down our group of friends(and between the women it was all set up) who wanted to take a 2003 Paris to Normandy cruise.

"I ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT GO!" so we finally settled on a Madrid to Portugal - our allies!

Not a dime to the frogs. They can go pound sand.

[Ben Bolt]

You appear to be a forward thinker ! Good man .

[Franking]

There was an interesting article in the Economist last week (http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1560497) subtitled "Why France continues to annoy the United States". It's point was exactly what you concluded, that they will come on board in the end.

But the reason they are holding out is not conviction or even diplomatic blackmail. If they go along from the beginning, they are just another ally. By holding out, they are like the spoiled child in class who keeps acting up to get attention.

The money quote, from a State Dept official: "What matters to France is that they matter."

FP