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To: GOPcapitalist
As a political leader for illinois independent of their issues, I do think Douglas was the better choice on the grounds that he was not a war mongering tyrant.

You condemn Lincoln for his views on the races and you believe Douglas was the better choice? His views on the races make Lincoln look like a champion of diversity. His proposed 13th Amendment stripped Congress of any power to regulate slavery in the territories, although it would have allowed states to decide if they would be slave or not. His proposed 14th Amendment would have denied blacks the right to vote or hold office, and would have required that the government obtain land in Africa for the purpose of sending any black person a state wished to see sent there, at government expense. In other words, the very forced emigration you claim Lincoln supported. It would have also prevented Congress from ever passing any laws limiting slavery where they had jurisdiction or any amendment that limited slavery in any way.

And in the end, once the south initiated the war, Douglas was a strong supporter of the administration and its war aims to the point of giving up his life for it. So I fail to see where Douglas would have been better. But I suppose any 'racist' is acceptable to you, so long as it isn't Lincoln and any 'tyrant' is acceptable to you so long as it isn't Lincoln.

216 posted on 02/06/2003 11:14:04 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
You condemn Lincoln for his views on the races and you believe Douglas was the better choice?

No. I condemn those who claim that The Lincoln was some champion of modern equality and civil rights. The Lincoln was very much a racist and you can infer into that what you like. Personally, I consider it a reflection of a dominant view in his own time. But others here, including the Claremonsters and Wlat will not even concede that The Lincoln practiced racism not unlike those who existed in his own time. They will not concede this because doing so means they have to admit a flaw of their false god. That is historical dishonesty at its worst.

His proposed 13th Amendment stripped Congress of any power to regulate slavery in the territories, although it would have allowed states to decide if they would be slave or not.

Don't you mean The Lincoln's proposed and passed 13th amendment? Cause it stripped Congress of any interference with the "domestic institutions" of any state, including slavery.

His proposed 14th Amendment would have denied blacks the right to vote or hold office

The Lincoln promoted exactly that view in his famous debate speeches.

and would have required that the government obtain land in Africa for the purpose of sending any black person a state wished to see sent there, at government expense.

Are you sure you are not discussing The Lincoln? Cause he set up an office in his administration to do exactly that. He even tried to contract with a businessman in Haiti to send them there, though the contract later fell through.

It would have also prevented Congress from ever passing any laws limiting slavery where they had jurisdiction or any amendment that limited slavery in any way.

In other words, The Lincoln's first 13th amendment.

222 posted on 02/06/2003 11:24:59 AM PST by GOPcapitalist
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