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Observation on TPS damage on Orbiter
NASA photos | 2-3-03 | BoneMccoy

Posted on 02/04/2003 1:34:19 AM PST by bonesmccoy

In recent days the popular media has been focusing their attention on an impact event during the launch of STS-107. The impact of External Tank insulation and/or ice with the Orbiter during ascent was initially judged by NASA to be unlikely to cause loss of the vehicle. Obviously, loss of the integrity of the orbiter Thermal Protection System occured in some manner. When Freepers posted the reports of these impacts on the site, I initially discounted the hypothesis. Orbiters had sustained multiple impacts in the past. However, the size of the plume in the last photo gives me pause.

I'd like to offer to FR a few observations on the photos.

1. In this image an object approximately 2-3 feet appears to be between the orbiter and the ET.

2. In this image the object appears to have rotated relative to both the camera and the orbiter. The change in image luminosity could also be due to a change in reflected light from the object. Nevertheless, it suggests that the object is tumbling and nearing the orbiter's leading edge.

It occurs to me that one may be able to estimate the size of the object and make an educated guess regarding the possible mass of the object. Using the data in the video, one can calculate the relative velocity of the object to the orbiter wing. Creating a test scenario is then possible. One can manufacture a test article and fire ET insulation at the right velocity to evaluate impact damage on the test article.

OV-101's port wing could be used as a test stand with RCC and tile attached to mimic the OV-102 design.

The color of the object seems inconsistent with ET insulation. One can judge the ET color by looking at the ET in the still frame. The color of the object seems more consistent with ice or ice covered ET insulation. Even when accounting for variant color hue/saturation in the video, the object clearly has a different color characteristic from ET insulation. If it is ice laden insulation, the mass of the object would be significantly different from ET insulation alone. Since the velocity of the object is constant in a comparison equation, estimating the mass of the object becomes paramount to understanding the kinetic energy involved in the impact with the TPS.

3. In this image the debris impact creates a plume. My observation is that if the plume was composed primarily of ET insulation, the plume should have the color characteristics of ET insulation. This plume has a white color.

Unfortunately, ET insulation is orange/brown in color.

In addition, if the relative density of the ET insulation is known, one can quantify the colorimetric properties of the plume to disintegrating ET insulation upon impact.

Using the test article experiment model, engineers should fire at the same velocity an estimated mass of ET insulation (similar to the object seen in the still frame) at the test article. The plume should be measured colorimetrically. By comparing this experimental plume to the photographic evidence from the launch, one may be able to quantify the amount of ET insulation in the photograph above.

4. In this photo, the plume spreads from the aft of the orbiter's port wing. This plume does not appear to be the color of ET insulation. It appears to be white.

This white color could be the color of ice particles at high altitude.

On the other hand, the composition of TPS tiles under the orbiter wings is primarily a low-density silica.

In the photo above, you can see a cross section of orbiter TPS tile. The black color of the tile is merely a coating. The interior of the tile is a white, low-density, silica ceramic.


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To: bonesmccoy
I have another question. If your scenario is true, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, a strike of this magnitude should have caused some differential in telemetry readings re drag, heat, and pressure. The shuttle still had to further accelerate from the speed at which the chunk of material departed the craft, and I would think that at some point prior to orbit there should have been some odd telemetry readings from that side of the spacecraft.

IIRC, the shuttle has to achieve about 17,000 MPH in order to orbit, and that speed through the atmopsphere should have generated at least some abnormal data, such as yaw correction or localized heating after the shuttle was damaged.

161 posted on 02/05/2003 7:12:04 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: bonesmccoy
I know- it's a bit unfair to all concerned (Monday morning quarterback-ing).

Someone here (at FR) said that with the huge number of redundant systems designed, some margins of error are still razor thin. It is a credit to the men and women working on the orbiters and rockets, and a credit to the men and women that operate them, that so little has gone wrong up to this point.

The tiles represent a catch 22. It could be said that they are the shuttle's achilles heel, due to their fragile properties.

On the other hand, the tiles represent a technological breakthrough, allowing a reuseable orbiter with a contrary aerodynamic design, the dual ability to withstand the heat of re-entry and maintain rudimentary flight capabilities.

Murphy's law strikes again.

162 posted on 02/05/2003 7:14:11 AM PST by freepersup (And this expectation will not disappoint us.)
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To: RippleFire
Great, this could be laid right at the feet of the Envirowackos, (due to the forced elimination of R-12) and the myth of Global Warming.

Another unintended consequence of govt politics.

163 posted on 02/05/2003 7:16:41 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: bonesmccoy
Look at this photo:

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/sts-107/images/high/KSC-03PD-0113.jpg

and look at what appears to be a white object near the top of the external tank on the right side, along the external pipe(?). Could this be ice? You can also see it here:

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/sts-107/images/high/KSC-03PD-0112.jpg

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/sts-107/images/high/KSC-03PD-0131.jpg

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/sts-107/images/high/KSC-03PD-0130.jpg
164 posted on 02/05/2003 7:22:03 AM PST by finnman69
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To: bonesmccoy; XBob
This video shows the chunk flying out very well. It's one of the ones that XBob posted.

External Tank Debris Video

You can first clearly see the chunk at 00:13. It is just to the right of the orange rectangle next to the round joints on the SRB. The chunk continues to tumble directly in front of the SRB and is still visible at the very bottom of the SRB, just above the flame, when the video ends.
165 posted on 02/05/2003 7:32:37 AM PST by small_l_libertarian
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To: holden
Don't forget also that the area where the ice forms is inside a low pressure area of the slipstream. Lowered pressure could cause ice to form under otherwise inhibited conditions.
166 posted on 02/05/2003 7:35:07 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: snopercod
Good luck, and will await the posting of the tile drawings and, hopefully, your report of a successful job interview.
167 posted on 02/05/2003 7:35:29 AM PST by Truth29
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To: wcbtinman
Thanks for your interest and comment.

Dependent upon the surface temperatures of the ET, one may need to look upon the entire structure as a moving, condenser-freezer which will inherently and actively generate copious quantities of ice.

Visible moisture is not an absolute requirement in the context of something, the surface temperature of which is far below the moisture-laden environment through which it flies.

I wonder what simulation models NASA has used to insure to itself that such predictable problems not cause its orbiters to be fatally compromised.

HF

168 posted on 02/05/2003 8:47:15 AM PST by holden
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To: XBob
Thanks for the link.

The left landing gear door is that rectangular patch just at the inflection point of the wing. It looks close to where the plume appeared in the video, so the "door damage" theory seems plausible.

Note, BTW, that the video itself shows no obvious tile damage. This says two things:

1. The NASA folks who evaluated this made a reasonable decision.

2. The calls for ground cameras or sat-to-shuttle views wouldn't have seen anything.

169 posted on 02/05/2003 9:35:39 AM PST by r9etb
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To: bonesmccoy
"The mass of the object is difficult to assess."

The videos that NASA has are much clearer. What they posted are MPEGs that have much detail lost due to the compression scheme. They know the rocket's velocity relative to the air and an essential cross section of the object. They can get a very close estimate of the object's mass by it's deceleration in the airstream. If the object was very low density like foam, it would pick up a tremendous velocity in that ~1000mph airstream, because there is only a small mass and a very large cross sectional area to pick up momentum from the airstream.

The object in the film resists picking up velocity in that ~1000mph wind, that means it's massive. Also the explosive disintegration when the object impacted the wing manifests very high velocity dust particles extending out to a great distance. That means the dust particles themselves are quite massive. Very fine, light particle would never maintain that kind of velocity in air. They don't have the momentum to maintain significant relative velocity for any appreciable distance.

"The NASA engineers may have underestimated the size of the object."

They should have picked up on the essential features of what they were looking at right away. Seems that didn't have a hands on, or practicle appreciation, for what they were looking at.

" there is no way they could have repaired the damage or rescued the crew"

I don't believe that...

"unless the next flight was rushed to the pad and risked to save the crew"

and I don't think you do either.

170 posted on 02/05/2003 9:39:15 AM PST by spunkets
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To: BearWash
" 1) "Indicated" Airspeed (i.e. taking #2 into account)

They're going ~1000mph, ~mach 1.33.

" 2) Density Altitude
3) Are these terms from low-altitude aviation meaningful in near-space?

They're still in the atmosphere. The time of flight to that point was 81secs. They are not in near space.

171 posted on 02/05/2003 9:43:57 AM PST by spunkets
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To: XBob
Some of the detail is lost due to the MPEG compression, but you can still use Quicktime to "arrow key" through the frames to get size and velocity ests. The debris didn't pick up much velocity in that ~1000mph airstream, linear or rotational, which indicates it was a lot more massive than foam.
172 posted on 02/05/2003 9:52:00 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Truth29

In the background graph, the gird is 10" x 10" with the heavy divisions 50" apart.

173 posted on 02/05/2003 11:57:21 AM PST by snopercod
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To: finnman69
Good photos. I noticed that the LH2 pressurization line is not where my drawings say it is. I'm so confused...
174 posted on 02/05/2003 11:59:42 AM PST by snopercod
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To: bonesmccoy
gird=grid
175 posted on 02/05/2003 12:00:14 PM PST by snopercod
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To: snopercod
I assume you saw the briefing and the sample of this so called damaging styrofoam along with the before and after photos of the bottom of the left wing.

Although the resolution of the photo evidence is not very good, a large area of damage as purported by some NASA engineers is not evident at all. In fact, no damage is evident. No gleaming white surfaces that would indicate damaged tiles.

I am now more than ever convinced that the foam hitting the wing is a red herring.

Again I believe that something not yet considered, was the catalyst for the failure of the craft. Their are so many possibilities that it boggles the mind but, we must figure it out and soon.

The media is putting up a statement that the 30 seconds of data could not be retrieved by NASA. They are wrong, that is not what NASA said. What they said was the data was too corrupted to make any sense.

The evidence then, must be on the ground. IMHO

176 posted on 02/05/2003 2:15:46 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
Well, you might be right.

I was looking at the drawings of the MLG system today, and noted that each gear door is held up by three hooks operated by a mechanical linkage system with push rods.

I was wondering whether the doors would open - or crack open - if one of those rods failed somehow.

Probably not, but the chances are good that we may never know what happened to Columbia.

177 posted on 02/05/2003 2:47:27 PM PST by snopercod
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To: snopercod
Tubebender posted last nite that some debris was found in California as reported by KTVU. The web site makes no mention of this, or skirts around it, however Tubebender watched the newscast apparently and described the material as a small nut sized brownish object.

I thought it might be slag, but then I wondered what a micrometeorite might look like or a piece of a larger one.

I have seen no more about it and found it interesting, to say the least.

178 posted on 02/05/2003 2:54:45 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: spunkets
excellent observation:

"The object in the film resists picking up velocity in that ~1000mph wind, that means it's massive. Also the explosive disintegration when the object impacted the wing manifests very high velocity dust particles extending out to a great distance. That means the dust particles themselves are quite massive. Very fine, light particle would never maintain that kind of velocity in air. They don't have the momentum to maintain significant relative velocity for any appreciable distance. "

Now, look at the first mpeg in full screen at high resolution, and you will see the white object first visible approximately at the back of the black color on the nose of the shuttle, then it proceeds upwards to approximately the top of the nose, then it moves back down and a second white object appears, then disappears.

I read a study of the turbulence in the area between the shuttle and the tank, a few years back. and remember that the turbulence in this portion of the stream is very high. I don't remember the relative wind information, but do remember that near the nose it is very slow.

Now look at the second and third mpegs in high resolution full screen and you will see the underside of the wing (very fuzzy) and the subsequent hit and spread of debris of something. It is quite visible (position wise) though mostly various colored pixels.

But, on my 17", .23dpi monitor, and high resolution graphics card, I need to put it on full screen to see it. However, once you blow it up to full screen, it's blatantly there, especially on the 3rd mpeg.

"
179 posted on 02/05/2003 3:11:46 PM PST by XBob
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To: snopercod
many thanks EXCELLENT super snooper.

Now - follow the directions on #179, and I get a wheel well hit.
180 posted on 02/05/2003 3:16:00 PM PST by XBob
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