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Observation on TPS damage on Orbiter
NASA photos | 2-3-03 | BoneMccoy

Posted on 02/04/2003 1:34:19 AM PST by bonesmccoy

In recent days the popular media has been focusing their attention on an impact event during the launch of STS-107. The impact of External Tank insulation and/or ice with the Orbiter during ascent was initially judged by NASA to be unlikely to cause loss of the vehicle. Obviously, loss of the integrity of the orbiter Thermal Protection System occured in some manner. When Freepers posted the reports of these impacts on the site, I initially discounted the hypothesis. Orbiters had sustained multiple impacts in the past. However, the size of the plume in the last photo gives me pause.

I'd like to offer to FR a few observations on the photos.

1. In this image an object approximately 2-3 feet appears to be between the orbiter and the ET.

2. In this image the object appears to have rotated relative to both the camera and the orbiter. The change in image luminosity could also be due to a change in reflected light from the object. Nevertheless, it suggests that the object is tumbling and nearing the orbiter's leading edge.

It occurs to me that one may be able to estimate the size of the object and make an educated guess regarding the possible mass of the object. Using the data in the video, one can calculate the relative velocity of the object to the orbiter wing. Creating a test scenario is then possible. One can manufacture a test article and fire ET insulation at the right velocity to evaluate impact damage on the test article.

OV-101's port wing could be used as a test stand with RCC and tile attached to mimic the OV-102 design.

The color of the object seems inconsistent with ET insulation. One can judge the ET color by looking at the ET in the still frame. The color of the object seems more consistent with ice or ice covered ET insulation. Even when accounting for variant color hue/saturation in the video, the object clearly has a different color characteristic from ET insulation. If it is ice laden insulation, the mass of the object would be significantly different from ET insulation alone. Since the velocity of the object is constant in a comparison equation, estimating the mass of the object becomes paramount to understanding the kinetic energy involved in the impact with the TPS.

3. In this image the debris impact creates a plume. My observation is that if the plume was composed primarily of ET insulation, the plume should have the color characteristics of ET insulation. This plume has a white color.

Unfortunately, ET insulation is orange/brown in color.

In addition, if the relative density of the ET insulation is known, one can quantify the colorimetric properties of the plume to disintegrating ET insulation upon impact.

Using the test article experiment model, engineers should fire at the same velocity an estimated mass of ET insulation (similar to the object seen in the still frame) at the test article. The plume should be measured colorimetrically. By comparing this experimental plume to the photographic evidence from the launch, one may be able to quantify the amount of ET insulation in the photograph above.

4. In this photo, the plume spreads from the aft of the orbiter's port wing. This plume does not appear to be the color of ET insulation. It appears to be white.

This white color could be the color of ice particles at high altitude.

On the other hand, the composition of TPS tiles under the orbiter wings is primarily a low-density silica.

In the photo above, you can see a cross section of orbiter TPS tile. The black color of the tile is merely a coating. The interior of the tile is a white, low-density, silica ceramic.


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To: mikegi
Located at KSC PAO website:

http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/images/medium/03pd0243-m.jpg

Your analysis matches NASA's. It appears they believe there is more than one object falling into the orbiter.

Question for NASA: What color is that plume?

121 posted on 02/04/2003 9:36:45 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: bonesmccoy

122 posted on 02/04/2003 9:37:29 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: bonesmccoy
One would think that NASA's manned program may want to redouble oversight during the Christmas holiday season.

Weather too cold? Could the "ice" hitting the tile under the wing Have plowed a channel up to and under the leading edge of the landing gear door? Dittemore said the temps rose in that area but he didn't say what normal would be at that time.

Are you aware of the live FR thread that was going on prior to and at the time of breakup? Dittemore backed up 1 second to 5:52 PST on problems on descend. That would put it at or near the Ca coast.

123 posted on 02/04/2003 9:38:07 PM PST by tubebender (?)
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To: wirestripper
This photo also appears at the KSC PAO website. Freepers have been asking if any pad debris existed.

Something is on the tail service mast which was sitting in front of the LH wing (which is the same side seen being hit by the "object" in the photos above).

this photo is looking from the launch platform up towards the gantry tower. The yellow plume is the rocket exhaust as the shuttle is clearing the tower. The arrow is pointing to some debris on the top of the service mast after the vehicle has launched.

KSC-03PD-0251 (01/16/2003) --- KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, FLA. - At the launch of Space Shuttle Columbia on mission STS-107, long, flexible debris comes out of the liquid helium 2 Tail Service Mast after the door closes. Columbia and crew were lost in a tragic accident over Texas as they made their approach to landing at KSC.

This is a photo of the tail service mast while the orbiter was still on the launch pad.


124 posted on 02/04/2003 9:44:24 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: tubebender
I missed the live thread. I popped on the PC and site at 6:02 AM and peared outside to see clouds over my house :*(

At that point, FNC said that the vehicle was going to be landing soon and that they would have live coverage.

They showed the ground track over CA and I decided to get active and out of bed.

When the TV picture had no vehicle, I got distressed and popped on FR to find out what was really going on.

When I realized the guys on the thread didn't understand what was happening (and the people on the TV were more lost than FR was), well... I decided to start writing.

When you want to figure out what is really going on... load Free Republic!

125 posted on 02/04/2003 9:50:03 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Budge
Very good catch on the video - and very sad. They were doomed as soon as they started the decent.
127 posted on 02/04/2003 9:54:34 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: bonesmccoy
For a hi-res image of the stack clearing the pad...
http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/images/large/03pp0142.jpg
128 posted on 02/04/2003 9:57:33 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: bonesmccoy
Looks like a cable for data or com. Maybe it got snagged in the door when the unit cleared or it may have been a spare or unused cable.
129 posted on 02/04/2003 10:06:19 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: montag813
Your remarks on on Dettemore indicates that you are incapable of understanding that this tragic accident was caused by the misjudgement of hundreds of people involved in various aspects of the design. And everyone of those people would have gone to the ends of the earth to prevent what happened from occuring.

Certainly Dettemore himself does not deserve your self-serving smart-Z$$ed remarks. Your capacity for empathy is severely crippled.

130 posted on 02/04/2003 10:12:50 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: bonesmccoy; wirestripper; _Jim; XBob
Just saw on KTVU out of the Bay area that some kind of burnt debris was found in South SF and there are 2 dozen reports of debris. Also showed the home video of a piece coming off Clolumbia over San Jose. The one piece they had in hand was about the size of a almond kernel and looked man made. Of course it could be charcoal... Look for the KTVU web site. I haven't checked it yet.
131 posted on 02/04/2003 10:20:10 PM PST by tubebender (?)
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To: txradioguy
>>>wouldn't it be safe to say that a piece of rigid foam insulation at mach 2 could do some pretty significant damage?<<<

But the piece of foam wasn't at Mach 2 relative to the Columbia wing. If you think about, it the foam had about 100ft +/- to accelerate from 0 mph relative to the wing to whatever speed it impacted at. That speed was certainly well below the speed of the entire shuttle/tank/solid rocked combination at that point. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say relative impact speed was below 200mph - but it could be determined accurately by time-lapse analysis of the film.

132 posted on 02/04/2003 10:20:24 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: tubebender
Could be melted oxidixed metal. (slag)
133 posted on 02/04/2003 10:23:27 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: HardStarboard
I'd say relative impact speed was below 200mph - but it could be determined accurately by time-lapse analysis of the film.

Someone did just that, and estimated it at about 125mph, plus or minus about 30%.

When you calculate the total energy, it sounds like alot, but so is a slap in the face.

I am sure NASA has the data on that by now. They are working round the clock.

134 posted on 02/04/2003 10:29:40 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: tubebender
The intriguing California observation of Columbia's descent was made by Anthony Beasley, an astronomer at the California Institute of Technology's Owens Valley Radio Observatory east of the Sierra Nevada.

Beasley said he was contacted by a NASA official on Tuesday.

"They're just starting to integrate all the data they've received," he said.

Beasley, his wife and mother-in-law watched Columbia from the driveway of his home in the remote town of Bishop. He reported seeing flashes and trailing objects, including one final distinct event in which something burning appeared to separate from the shuttle.

Beasley, program manager for the Combined Array for research in Millimeter-wave Astronomy at the Caltech observatory, wrote a report on his observation two hours later. It included details of his location, visibility conditions and the shuttle's position in the sky using approximate degrees of azimuth and elevation.

He also estimated the duration of each flash or "pulsing" and the change in brightness.

The first flash occurred 10-15 seconds after the orbiter was first sighted, Beasley wrote.

"Possibly saw secondary material in trail immediately after," he noted. "At time I thought -- it must have lost a tile (I was aware the shuttles routinely did when they landed, no idea what that would look like etc.)."

He described a second event that occurred 10-20 seconds later.

"There was clearly a new trail formed after this event, directly behind the orbiter (i.e. the second trail was parallel to and contained within the main trail). "

"My impression was that it was more than one piece, i.e. that there was a main piece and a few smaller bits (2-3?). They fell behind quickly, taking a few seconds to fall ... behind and then fade from sight, with some suggestion that they were falling just before vanishing."

Beasley wrote that the third event was the brightest.

"Very clear view of object detaching, forming separate trail. Looked like orbiter dropped a flare or something. Bright secondary object quickly fell out of main orbiter trail, generated its own trail for a few degrees. ... It took some time to fade from sight (5 seconds?)," he wrote.

Beasley said in an interview that he is not an authority on the shuttle but was aware that shuttles do lose thermal tiles in flight, which he noted in his report, particularly in reference to the last event.

"At the time I did wonder whether something that major would be a tile. My wife asked me what the things coming off were, I replied I thought they were tiles," he wrote.
Copyright 2003 by KTVU.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



135 posted on 02/04/2003 10:35:23 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
Is Beasley from San Jose? All they said the guy was from SJ and showed the home video and I mean home video. I would think Beasley would have better equipment however you could be right as I didn't get his name. Did you check the KTVU web site. It has a clip but I can't play it. Thanks...
136 posted on 02/04/2003 10:43:56 PM PST by tubebender (?)
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To: spunkets; All
46- mpeg files - EXCELLENT

The three files run on windows media player, and when you blow it up to full screen, you can see a whole lot more.

mpeg 1 - clearly shows a piece coming off in the area of max turbulence, near the forward attach point, moving up for some feet, then turning in the turbulence, and moving down. (this is the video everybody has been looking at.

mpeg 2 - not so clearly, but enough to see when expanded to full screen, it shows the underside of the wing, and the thing hitting the underside of the wing just about where the front of the wheel well would be.

mpeg 3 - shows the same thing again, slightly differently.

These are great, you can see what is hidden on the first mpeg.

External Tank Debris Footage Clip 1, Clip 2, Clip 3

137 posted on 02/05/2003 12:40:06 AM PST by XBob
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To: holden; blackie
62- very good - see my previous post.
138 posted on 02/05/2003 12:50:42 AM PST by XBob
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To: spunkets
62- very good - see my previous post.
139 posted on 02/05/2003 12:53:17 AM PST by XBob
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To: bonesmccoy; snopercod
see and follow through on #137
140 posted on 02/05/2003 1:03:23 AM PST by XBob
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