Saddams Bodyguard reveals secrets, possible link to North Korea involved

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30836 ^ | 2-3-03 | judicial meanz

[judicial meanz]

Saddam Hussein's senior bodyguard has fled Iraq with what at least one former U.N. weapons inspector calls "the smoking gun" – proof positive of the Iraqi dictator's possession of undisclosed weapons of mass destruction, according to a report in Australia's Herald Sun newspaper.

The bodyguard – one of the reported many doubles Saddam deploys to confuse potential assassins – is named Abu Hamdi Mahmoud. According to the report, Mahmoud gave Israeli intelligence officials a list of weapons-laden sites the current crop of U.N. inspectors have not visited.,

including:

"An underground chemical weapons facility at the southern end of the Jadray Peninsula in Baghdad;

"A Scud assembly area near Ramadi. The missiles come from North Korea;

Two underground bunkers in Iraq's Western Desert. These contain biological weapons."

Former United Nations weapons inspector William Tierney characterizes Mahmoud's revelations as "the smoking gun," according to the Melbourne-based paper. "Once the inspectors go to where Mahmoud has pointed them, then it's all over for Saddam," said Tierney.

Saddam even swims with bodyguards

A member of Saddam's elite inner circle of bodyguards called the Murasiq Qun, Mahmoud was known as "The Gatekeeper," said the report, which noted that the muscular Mahmoud is a "Saddam lookalike, often photographed standing behind Saddam when he is seated, or to his left when on the move."

Though Mahmoud was reportedly debriefed last week by Israeli intelligence at a high-security base in the Negev Desert, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who strongly won his re-election bid Tuesday, is only allowing small parts of Mahmoud's sensational claims to be shared with the American CIA and the British MI6 intelligence service, said the report.

"Sharon intends to shatter the growing anti-war movement," a source close to Sharon told the Herald Sun. "He plans to call all those European leaders who are wavering to let them know how Saddam has continued to fool Hans Blix and his weapons inspectors."

Among Mahmoud's sensational revelations are the locations of five bunkers buried beneath man-made sand dunes, in which are kept warheads identical to the empty shell cases found recently by U.N. inspectors – shells Mahmoud said were waiting to be refilled and sent to the under-the-sand bunkers.

The Herald Sun includes excerpts from Mahmoud's Israeli debriefing, including the following quotes:

"Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are also concealed in a tunnel complex deep beneath the sewers of Baghdad and in an underground complex in Ouja, to the north of Tikrit. The complex was built five years ago with help from Chinese engineers. The entrance to the site is through a house in Tikrit. It is the home of one of Saddam's cousins and is more than half a mile from where the weapons are stored."

"I was inside the innermost circle where Saddam eats and sleeps. I was among the handful of bodyguards closest to him. Very few people are allowed close to Saddam. Many of the TV images you see of him were taken years ago. Most people now only speak to him over the phone. He usually calls them. If they have to call him back with information he wants, it is passed through his sons (Uday and Qusay) or (Deputy Prime Minister) Tariq Aziz. All those close to him have codes, which they use to access the outer circle. But even they can only come so close to Saddam before there is a cut-off point – the Inner Circle. Even Tariq Aziz is checked to see if he is carrying weapons. Saddam knows fortunes are being offered to have him assassinated."

The paranoid Saddam, says Mahmoud, is a walking arsenal.

"He has concealed guns all over his body," Mahmoud said. "He also has panic buttons to press if he even suspects somebody is about to attack him."

The Herald Sun account notes that Israeli intelligence sources imply Mahmoud's cooperation was contingent on Israel's smuggling Mahmoud's family out of Iraq.

[justa-hairyape]

I think this is a set-up!

Possible. It would be interesting to learn what the Israelis had to do to get this man to talk. Also, how did he escape ? The ultimate set-up would be for Saddam and the ruling Ba'ath party to secretly escape to Iran. And then when US troops were in Baghdad, set off a whole bunch of chemical and biological weapons. Of course this would require the Socialist dictator to be willing to sacrifice his people for his 'utopian ideal'. Then the Iranians, with Saddam in tow, counter attack our confused forces in and around baghdad.

[MonroeDNA]

Control freaks are either dictators, Socialists, Communists, or Democrat leaders. That's what they have in common: They know what is best for everyone, and want to control EVERYTHING in their realm.

The real roots of Conservatism is the idea of letting the individual decide for him/herself what they want to do. I am reading "Reagan's War," where the author, Peter Schweizer, points out that this was Regan's cornerstone philosophy.

Reagan's entire life was dedicated to this core principle: Let the individual decide. Thus freed, Capitalism always outperforms any other system.

Beware of anyone who tells you how to live, what to grow, what you can't grow, or in general what to do. They're all the same.

[Quix]

These news pieces sure continue to line up with the visions and dreams of so many folk seeing NKorea initiate WWII by sending missiles to the U.S.A. after we attack Iraq.

[MonroeDNA]

I thought set-up, too, until I realized the Israelis had their hands on him.

Like the CIA, the SEALS, the Rangers, and the Marines, the Isrealis would know in a minute if this guy was not legit. He would have been an unreported bloodstain in the sand, after all information was extraced, if he was a ruse.

[judicial meanz]

Absolutely. I spent a lot of years fighting the "Cold War" just to see it come to roost in the Democratic party of my own country. The only difference is the faces in the party, and the adoption of a radical means of socialism instead of any semblance of American sovereign politics.

You can transpose the old CPUSA doctrine and beliefs right on to the Progressive Democratic beliefs and nothing is different at all. Whatever name they use, however they recreate it, it is still dangerous, deadly, and fickle. Right now they just ruin your career or something cheesy for differing from them. Someday, they may kill you as a product of class warfare that the socialists espouse so fondly.

The foreign aid funds from the old Soviet Union arent there anymore for the CPUSA, but the Chinese are doing well and promoting plenty of foreign aid to communists and their movements worldwide.

In my honest opinon, the investigation into Clintons funding by Chinese sources needed to go a lot deeper, and just touched the tip of the iceberg. I bet, and its just an opinion, that Chinese foreign aid is laundered and is filtered into the Democratic party at an astonishing rate.

I also see an emerging line of Chinese involvement in this affair that is just below the surface waiting to come out for some enterprising reporter. I doubt they will chase it. its up to us FReepers to dig it out and educate ourselves.

[judicial meanz]

Yeah...its kind of becoming a really plausible scenario really quick!

[Roscoe Karns]

bump

[judicial meanz]

FBI Overlooked Evidence Of China Influence-Buying
The Chinese-Clinton Connection revisited



Another misstep portends more criticism of Justice's campaign fund-raising investigation

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Nov. 14) -- In another embarrassment for the Justice Department, the FBI has admitted overlooking key information dating back to 1991 about possible Chinese influence in U.S. elections.

Government officials told The Washington Post that the newly discovered counterintelligence files provide evidence that Democratic fund-raisers Maria Hsia and John Huang acted on behalf of China.

The files were discovered, according to an FBI statement released today, after an extensive review ordered by FBI director Louis Freeh.

"During the course of this ongoing review, the FBI identified other relevant materials, at which time Director Freeh promptly briefed the Department of Justice and congressional committees," the statement said.


"Much of the counterintelligence information gathered by the FBI consists of raw, uncorroborated intelligence that requires significant analysis before the information is appropriate for dissemination," the statement continued.

The Post described Attorney General Janet Reno as "livid." She and Freeh apologized to Sen. Fred Thompson, the chairman of the Senate's fund-raising inquiry, for not turning over the sensitive information to him, the Post reported.

Indiana GOP Rep. Dan Burton, the chairman of a House panel investigating fund-raising, is demanding "face-to-face meetings" with Reno and Freeh, charging their respective agencies were either "inept or deliberately kept things from the American people," according to The Associated Press.

According to the FBI information, Hsia, a 46-year-old Taiwanese American immigrant, is described as a possible "agent" for China. She helped arrange a controversial fund-raiser at a Buddhist temple in Los Angeles attended by Vice President Al Gore, and has contributed to Democratic candidates through her fund-raising group, the Pacific Leadership Council.


The review also unearthed unconfirmed evidence that John Huang passed a classified document to the Chinese government while he worked at the Commerce Department. Other files document a Chinese government plan to funnel political donations to candidates through joint business ventures with U.S. companies.

An attorney for Hsia told the Post it's "ludicrous to suggest she is or was an agent of the Chinese government in any way, shape or form."


Another round of Reno-bashing?

According to the Post, the new information won't necessarily lead to criminal charges. But it will likely turn up the heat on the attorney general, whose fund-raising investigation has been plagued by embarrassments and criticism.

Reno's preliminary inquiry into whether an independent counsel should be appointed to investigate Vice President Gore's White House fund-raising calls came only after The Washington Post reported some of the money Gore raised had been deposited in hard-money accounts at the Democratic Party. That information had been overlooked by Justice investigators for months.

Evidence suggesting California businessman Ted Sioeng could be a Chinese agent was missed for over two years, as well.

Congressional Republicans have long insisted that Reno's investigation is incompetent, suffers from conflicts of interest and should be turned over to an independent counsel.

Reno has repeatedly expressed confidence in her team, but one government official interviewed by the Post called the latest lapse "remarkable incompetence."

[justa-hairyape]

She helped arrange a controversial fund-raiser at a Buddhist temple in Los Angeles attended by Vice President Al Gore,

The Chinese were expecting Gore to be President right now. We can thank Conservatives, the US Constitution, the US Supreme Court, Florida, Janet Reno's handling of Elian Gonzales, the Cuban Community of Miami and Elian Gonzales for giving us a 'Hard as Nails' Texan as commander in chief. Perhaps Elian Gonzales might eventually end up getting the freedom that his mother died trying to give him.

[VRW Conspirator]

So when they demand "proof", or deny that proof exists, they must surely know it will all come out in the end, anyway. Why place yourself out on a limb and then start sawing?

Delay, Detract and Deny. This is right out of the Clinton playbook:
Delay the war, delay the inspectors, delay the UN, etc.
Detract the public, cloud the issues, stir confusion to get the results of...delaying and ultimately...
Denying victory by George W. Bush.

Them Dems fear the news that GW has ousted Saddam. They are aware of what happened to Bush Senior's approval rating after Gulf War I. Their true aim is to deny him victory. With George W. in the bully pulpit with a 90% approval rating after ridding the world of a tyrant, the Dems will have to wait another 2 years, minimum, before they can oppose him on major issues. With the Dem leadership, it is, and always will be about power.

[dpwiener]

I have seen this article in three places now, so I guess its heading to be some bigger news in a few days.

I have yet to see any independent verification of this story. All of the articles refer back to the Australia Herald Sun article, and I've seen speculation elsewhere that the source of the Herald Sun article may have been DEBKA. DEBKA in turn is widely suspected to be a disinformation outlet for Mossad.

To put it as gently as possible, DEBKA's track record with regard to the truth and accuracy of the intelligence rumors it reports is not overly impressive. Or to put it as plainly as possible, DEBKA's track record is sh!t.

It would be fascinating if this turned out to be true. But the mere accumulation of circular or self-referential stories does not suddenly turn them into facts.

[MonroeDNA]

How did this thread turn to Janet Reno, and china?

We were discussing Saddam's body guard defecting, and giving us smoking gun evidence.

Please remain on topic.

[XJarhead]

It would be fascinating if this turned out to be true. But the mere accumulation of circular or self-referential stories does not suddenly turn them into facts.

Very true. And if the source really does turn out to be DEBKA, then you might as well flush this story.

Here's the problem I had with it the first time I read it. All that security around Hussein, and his senior bodyguard manages to get out of the country and defect? That sounds implausible to me, as much as I wish it were true.

[MonroeDNA]

Why did you post this to Roscoe Karns, when all he said was , "bump"?

I have to assume that you are on the wrong thread, unless you mean to distrupt this thread from Sadamm's body guard's smoking gun.

Let's stay on topic, and Janet Reno and China are not on.

[StriperSniper]

You would not believe the wierd looks I got. Like gee man, the government can never 'steal'.

I saw a bumper-sticker over the weekend that said:

DONT STEAL!
(the government doesn't like competition)

;-)

[judicial meanz]

Actually I made a mistake. Forgive me monroe.

[judicial meanz]

I posted the thread. I dont want to disrupt it.

[houstonian]

I heard a small amount of Rush's comments today, and found them very interesting. You might start a separate thread on that. The Bush-Haters will have blood on their hands. The national media is covering it up.

[judicial meanz]

My wife < a liberal> got so mad after hearing that she changed her party affiliation to Republican after being a lifelong Demoncrap. Rush did us proud today!

[Sgt_Schultze]

Find Saddam in the photo. Look to the right of Saddam's shoulder. There, with the black moustache - that's Abu Hamdi Mahmoud.