Law School Dean, Students Protest Abortion [school that nudged Bork back to the classroom]

The Affidavit ^ | 2-3-2003 | staff

[Notwithstanding]

On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Dean Dobranski, Fr. Michael Orsi, and several Ave Maria staff and students were featured on EWTN's live broadcast from Washington, D.C. About 50 people from the Law School community joined thousands of others from across the country to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, which legalized abortion in the United States. Since the passing of this legislation, over 42 million babies have been aborted. Ave Maria School of Law proudly witnessed to defending the sanctity of every human life, from the moment of conception until natural death.

[davidwendell]

AMSOL Bump. Of course, the world should know that we have our share of femaNazi's, but all in all we are culture warriors.

[Dynamo]

I'm amazed by the discrepancy between the percentage of those on this "consevative" site who will jump, like God-fearing believers, on the badwagon decrying the moral devastation of abortion...

...versus the percentage who are willing to follow that sincere belief structure through to the admission of the problem science has with making its case for Evolution.

The more sicence learns, the more impossible it is to believe in the Religion of Evolution, never mind the fact that its grossly flawed teachings blatantly flout the body of religious teachings which also tell us that abortion is wrong.

Fair weather moralists might as well save their anti-abortion breath, for their insincerity and lack of true belief structure and conviction will only aid the baby-killers in the end.

[wideawake]

I agree. The presupposition of evolutionists is that human nature is infinitely malleable, and that human nature is purely physical.

Given these two suppositions, there is no reason to condemn abortion and there is every reason to call for cloning, embryonic stem-cell research, etc.

The bait-and-switch from the science of heredity to the theory of evolution is the pedagogic key.

[Dynamo]

Has a "cause du jour" or a "rant celébe" actually pushed you to compromizing your self-proclaimed lack of faith?

Please explain the discrepancy between the percentage of those on this "consevative" site who will jump, like God-fearing believers, on the badwagon of decrying the moral devastation of abortion...

...versus the percentage who are willing to follow that sincere belief structure all the way through to the honest admission of the problem science has with making its case for Evolution.

The more science learns, the more impossible it is to believe in the phony Religion of Evolution, never mind the fact that its grossly flawed teachings blatantly flout the body of religious teachings which also tell us that abortion is wrong.

Fair weather moralists might as well save their anti-abortion-rhetoric breath, for their plasticene insincerity and lack of any true belief structure will only fuel the baby-killers in the end.

;-/

[Dynamo]

I feel we may have actually found ourselves an arena worthy of a hard-fought debate here, widey. :-)

Let's see if any of these pseudo-outraged-neo-intellects have the guts to pick up the glove. My money says they'll run for cover like Clinton's former press secretaries.

Good to know you.

[Notwithstanding]

I think your quesiton is:

"Why support this conservative Catholic school when in your mind it "compromises" on the issue of evolution (though the Catholic view is simply that God could choose evolution if he wanted and real evidence that supports such a theory is no different and no more immoral than real evidence that supports any plausible physical reality - in other words, authentic scientific truth never contradicts God) and therefor such compromise renders opposition to abortion moot?"

If that is your question, my answer lies within the parentheses.

[Notwithstanding]

ping

[JMJ333]

bttt

[JMJ333]

Are you pro-abortion because you were involved with one?)

To be sure. It allows the a person to escape responsibility of what human sexuality really is all about. Nature dictates it one way, and abortion allows us to circumvent that way. It does not matter to the pro-abortion crowd that human life indisputably begins at conception, and that it is indeed a unique (not to mention innocent and defenseless) human being that they are destroying so that they can have sex without consequence.

[Notwithstanding]

Can't wait to hear your reply.

[EODGUY]

I have made this comment on a different thread, but I think it is appropriate here. My daughter's pastor gave a homily on the validity of evolution based on changes of species throughout history. Many species have evolved over time.

The operative point is that Catholics do not equate evolution with creation. God created everything in the universe. That is not to say that his creation has not evolved over time.

Simply put, all evolution represents is how humans, flora, fauna have changed/adapted over millenia. It is still God Who is the Creator of everything.

[Notwithstanding]

God made the laws of nature and science - and His laws are not self-contradictory.

[EODGUY]

"God made the laws of nature and science - and His laws are not self-contradictory."

Exactly! I am amazed that purportedly intelligent people proscribe to a "big bang theory". That is where the argument of evolution VERSUS creation is lost hands-down by the evolutionists.........they can't agree upon or articulate a rational starting point for life.

God is the source, sponsor and creator of all life.

[Lorianne]

Unsupportable binary. If your supposition is true you'd have to follow through by claiming all intellectual (including scientific) inquisitiveness and exploraton is for naught and we may as well abaondon it forthwith.

But you are not consistent either. You based your arbtrary unsupportable binary on science by your statement "the more science learns" (which by the way is an anthropomorphism; science can't "learn"). Can the scientific method prove or disprove a God vs. science binary? If it could, and if you were consistent, you'd have to first accept "science" as the arbitor, even if it disproved your theory.

[Dynamo]

Actually, God says in His Bible that He created the earth and everything in it in 7 days, which kind of puts a crimp in the "I believe in both God and evolution" dodge.

Further, the Bible delineates the entire geneology of Man from Adam and Eve to about 2000-3000 years before Christ. That puts the earth's age at somewhere in the 15,000-20,000 years-old range... yet another big problem for the "God and evolution" evaders.

When someone says they believe in both God and evolution, they are admitting that they have not read or do not understand what God has said in His Bible, and that they have no problem with the fakery and deception used to propogate the myth of evolution by supposedly "objective" scientists.

Frankly, neither is acceptable, as both rely on, nay, demand ignorance for their mere existence.

[Oberon]

...versus the percentage who are willing to follow that sincere belief structure through to the admission of the problem science has with making its case for Evolution.

It's a matter of education, D. Most folks believe what the people in the white coats tell them, even when Stephen Jay Gould out-and-out stated, in so many words, that accepting Evolution required an act of faith.

[yendu bwam]

It allows the a person to escape responsibility of what human sexuality really is all about. Nature dictates it one way, and abortion allows us to circumvent that way. It does not matter to the pro-abortion crowd that human life indisputably begins at conception, and that it is indeed a unique (not to mention innocent and defenseless) human being that they are destroying so that they can have sex without consequence.

Indeed, JMJ333. It is shocking and disheartening that so many lust after casual sex without the least concern about the possibility (always present) of bringing forth into this world a new human being and a new human soul. The sexual act - with its promise of new human life - is the most Godly act we are called upon ever to commit. Most treat that incredible divine privilege like an infinitely selfish game - and the life it brings forth like garbage. With legalized abortion, we have come to sanction true barbarity...

[Dynamo]

"...science can't "learn"

Demonstrably true, and well put. Thank you. If it could, true Science would have abandoned "evolution" as soon as it saw that The Theory needed to rely upon fakery and bad data (the "Embryo" comparison fiasco, Darwin's "Finches" hoax, etc.) in order to sell its bill of goods to a gullible, ignorant public.

Even though these cornerstones of preaching Evolutionary propaganda are recognized as being defective by the scientific community (and have been for decades!), nonetheless that same community continues to use these "examples" in high school biology books for indoctrinating students with a farse.

Truly, "science" cannot learn. Apparently it can only deceive.

[Desdemona]

Further, the Bible delineates the entire geneology of Man from Adam and Eve to about 2000-3000 years before Christ. That puts the earth's age at somewhere in the 15,000-20,000 years-old range... yet another big problem for the "God and evolution" evaders.

You do know that God's weeks are a little longer than ours. I mean, for Him a day could be a million years.

There's too much anthropological evidence that evolution did happen to deny it. That doesn't mean that God didn't have a hand in the development.

The entire way it all happened will never be known for sure, but somewhere along the line, God gave us souls. That is why we believe in Him.