Posted on 02/03/2003 5:52:06 AM PST by TLBSHOW
Not in the least; and thank you for your tenacity.
It should be noted that each of these specs listed only one product which met the specifications. In fact, they were both written so that only a single product could possibly meet the specifications.
Well blow me down. < /sarcasm>
The Slave Party, at its most deadly usual. When are we going to start throwing these fetid turds into cold jail cells?
Annie, note the above post by snopercod. Hopefully, you may will start to understand why so many of the engineers on this forum are suspicious of NASA. It isn't that we necessarily think that this bit with the cleaner for adhering the tiles, or the foaming agent was THE cause of the accident; it's that this kind of crap is systemic in government contracting. Aerospace equipment is so over-engineered that usually, by the time something finally fails, one can point to a destructive combination of at least half a dozen screwups. It's the nature of such things.
The thing that gets us mad is that so many of these decisions are decided by political associations, instead of sound engineering judgment. That is the nature of government contracting. For NASA to be "fixed," much of it will have to be privatized, else there won't likely be honest accountability.
There is precedent for such cynicism, annie. The Challenger incident would not have been solved had NASA not been forced to accept Richard Feynman, a physicist from CalTech without affiliation to NASA, to lead the investigation. He's the guy with the tenacity and the drive for truth that it took to unearth the booster o-rings as the critical point of failure. NASA was launching at temperatures that were too cold, and, as most of us knew, the engineers at Morton Thiokol had been over-ruled. Then came the cover-up.
Had you read #25 you would understand that. The reason for the pic on #28 is to show that there was no crack or dent anyway, regardless of where it was, but you are correct; it is the threshold of the cargo bay, and the thing with a 'dent' is a safety tarp that keeps things from flying out accidentally.
Being at work, I didn't have the time to read every post on the thread; my attention was grabbed by the image.
In any case, it would appear that I didn't have to read your comments to make this assessment on my own. From my post, I did not mean to insinuate that you were saying this photo was of the wing.
Stay well,
Heh heh - That would be a violation of the 1972 clean water act :o)
You'll have to apply to NPDES for a permit before proceeding......
Being at work, I didn't have the time to read every post on the thread; my attention was grabbed by the image.
In any case, it would appear that I didn't have to read your comments to make this assessment on my own. From my post, I did not mean to insinuate that you were saying this photo was of the wing.
Stay well,
Heh heh - That would be a violation of the 1972 clean water act :o)
You'll have to apply to NPDES for a permit before proceeding......
Do you have any solid proof of that? ;o)
Computers. Ya gotta love 'em...
No, it duped your reply to me at #45 and #47, and it duped my reply to CO at #46 and #48.
I used to love thes things, but now I just grudgingly accept them :o)
You are correct. :-(
OK, I'll fix it.
The Slave Party, at its most deadly usual. When are we going to start throwing these fetid turds into DOUBLE CONTAINED cold jail cells?
There. Pththththt!!!
There are hundreds of Don Nelson's at NASA. Anyone with any knowledge at NASA knows that accidents will happen in an R&D program. We've lost many good men in X-planes, trying to improve the aircraft potential.
The only reason Don Nelson has come to light is because of his web site, IMO. John Young, the STS-1 Commander, is still shouting that we should NEVER land at KSC. He wants ALL landings at Edwards AFB. Obviously, Edwards is safer but the only SAFE way to fly is to NOT FLY.
Also, if NASA had implemented all the illogical/cost ineffective fixes/changes proposed by Don Nelson, it would not have changed one iota regarding this particular issue. Seems that any time one is close to making sausage, it's easy to see the flaws.
Hugs, Gracey
I offer this motive to desist: Some of those "fetid turds" might be lawyers. ;-))
Does this have to do with elimination of the FREON "bath" replaced with the WATER "bath?" I asked why NASA didn't ask for a waiver to continue with FREON solution since it left no residue. I'm not too swift on this subject, but know that we spent big $$'s to change the facility to please Clinton's EPA mandates. Again, I don't understand why we couldn't get waivers.
Well then we'll have to leave the name tags at the headworks and let the turds discharge anonymously :o)
Don't let that discourage you... ;)
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