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NASA: Shuttle Temperature Rose Suddenly
Yahoo News ^ | 2/2/03 | Paul Recer - AP

Posted on 02/02/2003 2:54:30 PM PST by NormsRevenge

NASA: Shuttle Temperature Rose Suddenly

By PAUL RECER, AP Science Writer

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -

NASA (news - web sites) officials said Sunday that space shuttle Columbia experienced a sudden and extreme rise in temperature on the fuselage moments before the craft broke apart.

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NASA space shuttle program manager Ron Dittemore said the temperature rise — 60 degrees over five minutes in the mid-fuselage — was followed by an increased sign of drag that caused the shuttle's computerized flight control system to try to make an adjustment to the flight pattern.

Dittemore cautioned that the evidence was still preliminary, but that one of the possibilities was that there been damage or a loss of thermal tiles that protect the shuttle from burning up during re-entry into the Earth's atmosphere.

"We are making progress," Dittemore said, adding that the combination of new engineering data and an observer who reported seeing debris from the shuttle while it was still passing over California may create "a path that may lead us to the cause."

The shuttle broke up shortly before landing Saturday, killing all seven astronauts. Most of its debris landed in eastern Texas and Louisiana.

Earlier Sunday, NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe named a former Navy admiral to oversee an independent review of the accident, and said investigators initially would focus on whether a broken-off piece of insulation from the big external fuel tank caused damage to the shuttle during liftoff Jan. 16 that ultimately doomed the flight 16 days later.

"It's one of the areas we're looking at first, early, to make sure that the investigative team is concentrating on that theory," O'Keefe said.

The insulation is believed to have struck a section of the shuttle's left side.

Dittemore said the engineering data showed a temperature rise in the left wheel well of the shuttle about seven minutes before communication was lost with the spacecraft. One minute later, there was an even more significant temperature rise in the middle to left side of the fuselage.

The drag on the left wing began a short while later, causing the shuttle's automated flight system to start to make adjustments.

"There may be some significance to the wheel well. We've got some more detective work," Dittemore said.

The manufacturer of the fuel tank disclosed Sunday that NASA used an older version of the tank, which the space agency began phasing out in 2000. NASA's preflight press information stated the shuttle was using one of the newer super-lightweight fuel tanks.

Harry Wadsworth, a spokesman for Lockheed, the tank maker, said most shuttle launches use the "super-lightweight" tank and the older version is no longer made. Wadsworth said he did not know if there was a difference in how insulation was installed on the two types of tanks.

Wadsworth said the tank used aboard the Columbia mission was manufactured in November 2000 and delivered to NASA the next month. Only one more of the older tanks is left, he said.

O'Keefe emphasized that the space agency was being careful not to lock onto any one theory too soon. He vowed to "leave absolutely no stone unturned."

For a second day, searchers scoured forests and rural areas over 500 square miles of East Texas and western Louisiana for bits of metal, ceramic tile, computer chips and insulation from the shattered spacecraft.

State and federal officials, treating the investigation like a multi-county crime scene, were protecting the debris until it can be catalogued, carefully collected and then trucked to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

The effort to reconstruct what is left of Columbia into a rough outline of the shuttle will be tedious and painstaking.

When a shuttle piece was located this weekend, searchers left it in place until a precise global position satellite reading could be taken. Each shuttle part is numbered; NASA officials say experts hope to trace the falling path of each recovered piece.

The goal is to establish a sequence of how parts were ripped off Columbia as it endured the intense heat and pressure of the high-speed re-entry into the atmosphere.

At least 20 engineers from United Space Alliance, a key NASA contractor for the shuttle program, were dispatched to Barksdale for what is expected to be a round-the-clock investigation.

Other experts, including metallurgists and forensic medicine specialists, are expected to join the investigation. Their focus will be on a microscopic examination of debris and remains that could elicit clues such as how hot the metal became, how it twisted and which parts flew off first.

In addition to NASA's investigation, O'Keefe named an independent panel to be headed by retired Navy admiral Harold W. Gehman Jr., who previously helped investigate the 2000 terrorist attack on the USS Cole (news - web sites).

Gehman's panel will also examine the Columbia wreckage, and come to its own conclusions about what happened. O'Keefe described Gehman as "well-versed in understanding exactly how to look about the forensics in these cases and coming up with the causal effects of what could occur."

Joining Gehman on the commission are four other military officers and two federal aviation safety officials.

Officials used horses and four-wheel-drive vehicles to find and recover the shuttle pieces. Divers were being called in to search the floor of Toledo Bend Reservoir, on the Texas-Louisiana line, for a car-sized piece seen slamming into the water.

Some body parts from the seven-member astronaut crew have been recovered and are being sent to a military morgue in Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.

Columbia came apart 200,000 feet over Texas while it was streaking at more than 12,000 miles an hour toward the Kennedy Space Center (news - web sites). A long vapor trail across the sky marked the rain of debris.


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To: _Jim
What is the contingency if say, one SRB fails to ignite?" I think that these are probably the most reliable component of the entire shuttle ... these are ridiculously simple in construction and once lit - stay lit.

I mentioned the SRBs for illustrative reasons. The cleavis joint has a much better design now. The previous flawed design was the main cause for the Challenger tragedy. That flawed design was not subtle. It was a botch job and lots of people knew it yet nothing was done until the Shuttle exploded.

If you think that the solid rocket motors are simple and safe you're wrong.

121 posted on 02/02/2003 7:08:23 PM PST by UnChained
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To: No Truce With Kings
Keep your shirt on. Sheeesh.

OK, Captain Science, explain -- using one and two syllable words, because I must be slow -- how we do a RTLS or a TAL after Main Engine Cut Off.

Why don't you ask NASA, they developed the contingencies.

My reading of this is that the MECO would now happen immediately after SRB separation.

I already asked if they had accelerometers on board whose data could be telemetered to ground. I would bet they do have many accelerometers since they would like to know that at least the main engines were healthy before attempting orbit after SRB separation. The accelerometers should be able to detect a significant impact, they do it on all jet engines very successfully.

122 posted on 02/02/2003 7:09:57 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: One Sided Media
I think that is what NASA is believing as well. Foam and tiles were not the critical failure points. Heck, they have lost lots of tiles and had ice and who knows what else banging off the shuttle as well a major G forces and heat during how many launches and landings?

Well, I've been going at it for awhile, I need to pit stop and refill the interplanetary coolers with beer.

123 posted on 02/02/2003 7:09:59 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: TheDon
I don't think it is hindsight to say that they have no business launching shuttles with no means of landing if the tiles are damaged on launch.

... and what kind of shape is your car and it's tires in?

Last oil change?

How about tie rod ends and ball joints - any chance one of those will pull apart on the next chuck hole while driving at highway speeds on a two-lane road?

124 posted on 02/02/2003 7:10:20 PM PST by _Jim
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To: TheDon
Well said, and I don't think it is hindsight to say that they have no business launching shuttles with no means of landing if the tiles are damaged on launch.

Dittemore's comments were very surprising, unexpected and disturbing.

Yeah, and when our great-great grandparents were discussing things it's a good thing they didn't say "ships can sink, we have no business allowing people to get on ships and try to get to a new world until we're absolutely certain they will be safe". With thinking like that we'd all be european.

125 posted on 02/02/2003 7:13:35 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: UnChained
If you think that the solid rocket motors are simple and safe you're wrong.

Did I say safe?

Here's EXACTLY what I said: "[they are] the most reliable component of the entire shuttle ... these are ridiculously simple in construction ..."

Did I say safe?

I *did* say 'simple in construction' and, in contrast to a liquid-fueled rocket, this is true.

But did I say 'safe'?

126 posted on 02/02/2003 7:14:08 PM PST by _Jim
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To: _Jim
Can you say non sequitur?
127 posted on 02/02/2003 7:14:20 PM PST by TheDon
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To: UnChained
""In this accident, we saw a failure of a solid rocket booster. What is the contingency if say, one SRB fails to ignite?"

Answer:

"All of our abort scenarios assume that we have two good SRBs"

In other words: They die! "



We used to call this "Pinwheel Mode" or "Pinwheel Re-entry"
128 posted on 02/02/2003 7:17:16 PM PST by chaosagent
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To: McGavin999
"Yeah, and when our great-great grandparents were discussing things it's a good thing they didn't say "ships can sink, we have no business allowing people to get on ships and try to get to a new world until we're absolutely certain they will be safe". With thinking like that we'd all be european.

You have just explained why the term Euro-weenies fits so many inhabitants of Yurp. All the brave ones with intelligence were willing and able to come over here.

129 posted on 02/02/2003 7:17:31 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: TheDon
Are you saying: "I don't consider nor think about those risks as I implictly trust my mechanic, the engineers who designed my car as well as the factory who built her."
130 posted on 02/02/2003 7:21:14 PM PST by _Jim
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To: No Truce With Kings
Remember Challenger? On that flight the SRB leak just happened to be over the strut holding the SRB to the ET. The leak melted the strut, allowing the SRB to swing in, hit the tank and rupture it. If the leak had been on the other side of the SRB, it would have been just a minor anomaly -- noticable as a pressure drop in the left SRB, but otherwise not noteworthy.

The leak grew rapidly in width. The interior pressure in the SRB was 1000 PSI. The hot exhaust gasses were only kept in by 2 rubber "o" rings and some magic putty. The leak was forming an area where the sections were no longer attached to each other. How many seconds would it have taken for the leak to get so wide that the booster sections seperated? Not many I suspect.

I dont recall how much burn time they had left, but looking at the videos it seems they had a lot of fuel left after the explosion.

131 posted on 02/02/2003 7:22:09 PM PST by UnChained
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To: NormsRevenge
...that caused the shuttle's computerized flight control system to try to make an adjustment to the flight pattern.

Has it been determined for sure that the flight control software codes that were active during re-entry were identical to the ones that were originally installed or uploaded by NASA? Are there hashes or keys that must be verified before being executed by the on-board computers?

Has there been any indication that any individual or group attempted to hack the onboard control systems or threatened to do so? Has anyone claimed credit?

132 posted on 02/02/2003 7:22:42 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining
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To: NormsRevenge
I would not be surprised to learn that this diaster was 16 days late.
133 posted on 02/02/2003 7:23:29 PM PST by tubebender (?)
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Why isn't it a policy to dump all their remaining fuel in the shuttle as they head for re-entry? Why does the design of the shuttle not have some sort of reinforced passenger bay, kind of like the superhard titanium sphere that deep-sea submersibles have? Why is there no kind of tether system so that people can make EVA's and scope out the ship? Why don't they just send up a dumbell satellite that would just be a storage container full of stuff (consumables, etc) that the shuttle could just grab? (Maybe with a magnetic harpoon or something.)Why isn't there a shield of some kind between the shuttle and the big booster to protect it from the ice? For that matter, where is the LOX tank of the booster? Bottom end or top?

Mind you, I'm not playing "Monday morning engineer." NASA must rethink it's safety and its contingencies if it is to survive. Average Joes will sour on spaceflight if too many people get killed. In "From the Earth to the Moon," in the investigation after the Apollo 1 fire, Frank Borman said that what killed Grissom, White, and Chaffee was "a lack of imagination. Nobody could imagine something like this could occur." I submit that there WERE things that could've been solved, had they been thought through. Yet in some cases, NASA has shown a great lack of imagination. Maybe they oughta have a few mothers-in-law on the staff. THEY'D think up all kinds of potential situations!

134 posted on 02/02/2003 7:26:07 PM PST by Othniel (Ad Astra, and Beyond!)
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To: UnChained
The hot exhaust gasses were only kept in by 2 rubber "o" rings and some magic putty.

When operated in their appropriate temperature range these SRB's proved, time and time again, to be as reliable as required - they met operatinal specs.

Denigration of these inanimate items by alluding to 'only 2' "o" rings and calling the sealing compund 'magic putty' is low, really low.

I object on behalf of selfless "o" rings and pliable sealing compoundfs everywhere - and in every possible application ...

135 posted on 02/02/2003 7:29:48 PM PST by _Jim
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To: No Truce With Kings
Also, if you get the flight people to talk off the record about RTLS, TAL, etc., they will tell you that being able to accomplish these flight senarios is iffy at best, especially RTLS.

An ATO (Abort To Orbit)is less iffy, but normally would occur only because of early cut-off of one or more SSME's
136 posted on 02/02/2003 7:31:58 PM PST by chaosagent
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To: StopGlobalWhining; snopercod
Are there hashes or keys that must be verified before being executed by the on-board computers?

There is a LUG (Linux User Group) of about 25 people who were doing some open-source work for them on flight control software - it looks like maybe there was a version control snafu or something (like perhaps an Alpha or Beta release) got mixed in with the production code ...

137 posted on 02/02/2003 7:33:26 PM PST by _Jim
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From BBC News World Edition

Monday, 3 February, 2003, 00:41 GMT

Heat rise clue to shuttle disaster
Kerriann Rowe (R), 9 and her mother Kathy Rowe embrace in front of the Astronauts Memorial at the vistors' centre, Kennedy Space Cente, Florida
People across the US are mourning the astronauts
The space shuttle Columbia may have been shedding heat-protection tiles as it flew over the United States on its re-entry into the earth's atmosphere, Nasa officials have said.

At the latest press conference given by the US space agency, officials gave more details about temperature sensor readings during the last few minutes of the orbiter's flight.

Undated file photo of astronaut Laurel Clark
She was proud to be representing her country

Astronaut Laurel Clark's aunt

The new information came as Nasa officials confirmed that remains of all seven astronauts on board Columbia have been found.

Nasa has vowed to leave "no stone unturned" in its investigation into why the space shuttle disintegrated just minutes before its scheduled landing on Saturday.

Data reviewed by investigators showed the left side of the shuttle started to rise in temperature as it passed over California and New Mexico and that the shuttle was experiencing increased drag on the left-hand side of the vehicle.

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How Columbia broke up over Texas

Space Shuttle Programme Manager Ron Dittemore said the detection of increased drag could have been an indication that the shuttle had lost heat-protection tiles or that the tiles had become uneven.

"But I have to caution you that this is a very fluid situation and what we understand today may change in the coming days," he stressed.

Columbia lifts off on 16 January
A piece of foam hit the shuttle's left wing shortly after lift-off

Experts are carrying out a painstaking analysis of the mass of data transmitted back from the shuttle in the last minutes of its flight.

Another key part of the investigation will be analysing the pieces of the shuttle which rained down over the southern US - a process likely to take months.

Possible damage to Columbia's protective thermal tiles on its left wing had already been flagged up as a cause for concern.


The wing was hit by a piece of insulating foam which peeled away from the external fuel tank a little more than a minute into Columbia's launch on 16 January.

Map showing approximate area where shuttle debris has come down

The incident was spotted and checked at the time, Nasa officials said. But on Saturday they acknowledged they could not now rule out a connection.

As Americans mourned the deaths of the shuttle's seven astronauts, police teams scoured large areas in Texas for shuttle fragments.

Already accusations are being levelled that Nasa chiefs ignored a series of safety warnings.

But these were rejected by Nasa administrator Sean O'Keefe, who said every safety concern was tackled before a shuttle launch.

138 posted on 02/02/2003 7:34:30 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: HighWheeler
"Why don't you ask NASA, they developed the contingencies."

Maybe because I already know the answer, not having gotten Shuttle Backseat Pilot wings from collecting enough cereal boxtops. You cannot. MECO ends powered flight. At MECO you are committed to where you are going. You have to opt for an RTLS or a TAL almost immediately after liftoff. Four minutes into the mission and you lose RTLS. Six minutes, and you cannot do a TAL. As I said earlier, the problem occurred at T+80, and was probably noted *after* MECO.


"My reading of this is that the MECO would now happen immediately after SRB separation."

Nope. Not unless you want to land the Orbiter in the Atlantic. I suggest you come back to this discussion when you can make informed recommendations, if it is your choice to make recommendations.


"I already asked if they had accelerometers on board whose data could be telemetered to ground. I would bet they do have many accelerometers since they would like to know that at least the main engines were healthy before attempting orbit after SRB separation. The accelerometers should be able to detect a significant impact, they do it on all jet engines very successfully."

I would hate to be your spouse or your kids. I can imagine what they go through every time they make a mistake.

Coulda, should, woulda is great sitting in your chair in front of your computer. Lots of things are obvious in retrospect, and if I had a dollar for every time it was obvious I had made the wrong decision -- after I made the decision I could probably retire. And every honest person on this board would probably say the same thing.

It is easy to find the solution to a failure after the failure. The difficult part is realizing it before the failure. But the folks on the Shuttle program do, every day. Any complex technology program devolves into a game of whack-a-mole, where you end up hammering down problems as fast as they come, until you miss one. Then it doesn't matter how many you caught because the Shuttle Backseat Pilot Brigade is there to take you to task and call for your scalp. Not that they can trouble themselves to find the answer to a simple question without falling back on the cry that NASA designed the system, and its NASA's job to know.

Teddy Roosevelt said it best:

"It is not the critic who counts,
Not the man who points out how the strong man tumbled
Or where the doer of deeds could have done better.

The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena;
Whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood;
Who strives valiantly;
Who errs and comes short again and again;
Who knows the great enthusiasms,
The great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause;
Who at the best,
Knows in the end the triumph of high achievement;
And who, at the worst,
If he fails, at least fails while daring greatly,
So that his place shall never be
With those cold and timid souls
Who know neither victory nor defeat."

Dittemore is in the arena. More than I can say for his critics.


139 posted on 02/02/2003 7:35:20 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: Othniel
Why does the design of the shuttle not have some sort of reinforced passenger bay, kind of like the superhard titanium sphere

I was thinking that used iron diving bells might provide more cost-effective protection ... or better yet - '57 Chevy Belairs converted for space travel - those cars were virtually indestructable ...

140 posted on 02/02/2003 7:36:36 PM PST by _Jim
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