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Mr. Bush, The $15 Billion Appeasement Won't Work
Ayn Rand Institute ^ | 1/31/03

Posted on 02/02/2003 5:15:50 AM PST by RJCogburn

If the $15 billion African AIDS package Mr. Bush proposed in his State of The Union speech was intended to appease the critics of his impending attack on Iraq, it won't work, says Yaron Brook, executive director of the Ayn Rand Institute.

"Mr. Bush's altruistic giveaway of our money," says Dr. Brook, "will not buy the world's approval nor stop the condemnation of the morally justifiable action that he is about to take against Iraq. As evidence, consider how Nelson Mandela, former president of South Africa, the country with the highest number of AIDS cases in Africa, has countered Mr. Bush's list of Iraqi atrocities: 'If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. It is the one power with a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, [and] is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust.'

"As Ayn Rand observed, 'The givers are never blessed; the more they give, the more is demanded of them; complaints, reproaches and insults are the only response they get for practicing altruism's virtues (or for their actual virtues). Altruism cannot permit recognition of virtue…. If the giver is not kept under a torrent of degrading, demeaning accusations, he might take a look around and put an end to the self-sacrificing.' If Mr. Bush needs more proof that altruistic giveaways will not buy him world approval he should compare the staggering sums of foreign aid we have given away in the last fifty years to the number of 'friends' America has today.

"If individual Americans voluntarily want to give their money to fight AIDS, they can do so privately. But when $15 billion is forcefully expropriated from taxpayers for Mr. Bush's appeasing altruistic gesture it is outrageous and immoral."


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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
No AIDS is not cured by money - however, easing of pain, suffering and a longer life is aided. In addition, there are babies in Africa that are being raped by AIDS infected men believing they will receive a cure by such.

Would be really an improvement in the life of the babies to have this belief dispelled and these ignorant men seeking drugs instead of babies.


21 posted on 02/02/2003 7:06:27 AM PST by ClancyJ
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To: RJCogburn
I think Yaron Brook, of the Ayn Rand Institute is being unfair to call this bold initiative for a ten-year aid plan to Africa an “appeasement” even before the terms of the plan is laid out.

If anyone understands Altruism, I am sure President Bush does. It isn’t virtue the President seeks, it is a cure. Americans are well aware of the hostility from those who have received American generosity over the years for one reason or the other, the hostility doesn’t stem from the people, it comes from their governments who loath us because they need us.

But when $15 billion is forcefully expropriated from taxpayers for Mr. Bush's appeasing altruistic gesture it is outrageous and immoral." If Mr. Brook thinks the amount to be given is immoral, then perhaps these “forward thinkers” of the ARI and others of us who feel the same, should come down hard on those who continue to spread the AIDs virus via pleasure and the women who continue to give HIV to their unborn children. AIDs is indeed a preventable ‘affliction’ and no child should be born with it. I could go a step further and speak my mind about those that carry the virus and what to do about them, but I would get flamed.

22 posted on 02/02/2003 7:16:44 AM PST by yoe
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To: RJCogburn
We cannot buy lovers in Afrika, they will always hate us no matter what!!!! Our leader is mistaken on this point!
23 posted on 02/02/2003 7:17:17 AM PST by Lewite
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To: Pietro
Hell, 15B is chump change in a Trillion $ budget.

No it isn't. Your largesse with other peoples' hard earned dollars is amusing, but wrong.

If individual Americans voluntarily want to give their money to fight AIDS, they can do so privately.

Right on target. If $15 Billion is "chump change", then certainly it will be easy for private donations to raise that, right?

24 posted on 02/02/2003 7:30:28 AM PST by The Electrician
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To: RJCogburn
Much ado about nothing... it was a bone... and as we all know any bones that are thrown out to the libs are thrown back with a note attached stating something to the effect, "this bone aint big enough..." So we're left with gridlock on the idea... let it lay..
26 posted on 02/02/2003 7:49:36 AM PST by Godfollow
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To: Thommas
Practically, morally, and very sadly, Mr. Bush's giveaway is indeed a waste. One, two and three years hence, not one life will have been saved by this largesse.

Heck, in SA they say HIV does not cause AIDS but poverty and whites, so 15bilions will go to this AIDS "prevention" program. Will it save a life? I think it will kill some unwittingly.

27 posted on 02/02/2003 7:50:37 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: Thommas
Not only will it not impact the AIDS epidemic in these countries, they will still hate us because we are free and successful and they are not.
28 posted on 02/02/2003 7:53:20 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Sarcasm detectors on sale now in the lobby)
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To: Glenn
Incorrectly put. Money put to that use will merely delay death. Not save life.

Nonsense. Medicine never saves life. It merely delays death.

29 posted on 02/02/2003 7:59:02 AM PST by sakic
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To: BCrago66
Not one life will be saved. There is no cure for aids. At best modern drugs mask the symptoms prolong life, and make life easier as people die from the disease.

In Africa, these drugs may well hasten the spread of the disease as uneducated people feel better and have more sex thinking they are getting well.

30 posted on 02/02/2003 8:03:33 AM PST by Sequoya
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To: The Electrician
A couple points:

1) The US, as the richest nation on earth, has an obligation to help the poor. Randians may disagree but, thank God, most Americans do not.

2) The $15B will be spread out over a few years and so represents less than 1% of our annual budget (that's chump change)

3) Many charities do contribute to the AIDS disaster, as well as other disasters, in Africa. The problem is obviously greater than private groups can address

and finally,

4) There are many things the gov. spends money on that I disagree with, this is not one of those cases.

31 posted on 02/02/2003 1:43:25 PM PST by Pietro
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To: Pietro
You have made the point better than any "Randian" could. Because millions of Americans, either acting as individuals or through charities, are apparently unwilling or incapable of coming up with the "chump change" of $15 Billion, you are completely in favor of forcing them, effectively at the point of a gun, to do so. Apparently as long as it is "you" (figuratively) who is holding the gun, you are happy to do so. And you get mighty moralistic when a person who is at the other end of that gun has the gall to protest.
32 posted on 02/02/2003 3:17:59 PM PST by The Electrician
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To: Pietro; BCrago66; yoe
Any man that is willing to put his dick into an infected woman or another mans butt deserves what happens. Don't ask me to pay your medical bills if you can't control your sexual desires. Don't come whining to me if you were drunk when you did it either. How much money would you have if your taxes had been reduced just 1% all of your working life? Probably an extra $100k. Well you give your money to the people you feel deserve it and let me do the same. Self control and self reliance is the path to success.
33 posted on 02/03/2003 7:32:49 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
"Any man that is willing to put his dick into an infected woman or another mans butt deserves what happens"

This level of idiocy does the conservative movement no good whatsoever.

It does, however, appear to be a valid libertarian position.

34 posted on 02/03/2003 7:43:16 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Pietro
Apparently you don't know me, libertarian doesn't fit.
35 posted on 02/03/2003 7:53:59 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Pietro
The US, as the richest nation on earth, has an obligation to help the poor.

I certainly agree here, but that does not mean that the government has the right to take from me without asking to give to the poor. That is my job, not the government's job. The government is not charity and it is not compassion. It is raw force, and I resent being told that I must be more "compassionate" with the barrel of a gun shoved against my head.

36 posted on 02/03/2003 8:04:15 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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