Regards, Ivan
Posted on 02/01/2003 4:01:36 PM PST by MadIvan
Regards, Ivan
Tony the Phony Blair, talking about someone else's 'deception skills.'
That's a hot one, Ive. :)
Ivan
No, my friend. He may well be hiding it.
The onus is on the President or the PM to produce it, as promised, or call the whole thing off. Isn't the way the Left is rallying over this making you nervous? It should be.
Rest assured, when everything is revealed, I WILL be pinging you for your comments.
What Left? Every whingeing, hand-wringing Labour MP in God's creation is screaming how evil George Bush is and the war shouldn't happen. Maybe it's different in Australia, but here, the Left is against the war, and removing Saddam Hussein.
Ivan
Please do, madame, and should an apology be in order I'll make it unhesitatingly.
However let me flag something for you; my instinct is that, despite the awesome might of the US' intelligence gathering capability, the 'smoking gun' is not going to be what we were led to expect: a secret anthrax lab in Tikrit, or similar. If it turns out to be transcripts of Camp X-Ray interrogation sessions, or some mystery defector's admissions, that won't cut the mustard. Cheers, By.
Of course they are mate, and that's the problem.
Think back a year or two. The Euro Left were dispirited and issue-less. They had no answer to the success of right-wing candidates voted in on a wave of public concern over immigration. Hell, even Norway moved to the right! And now they are coalescing and rediscovering an identity around anti-war activism. It cannot be good for our side to take the focus off the main game of advancing the cause of conservatism- all for this silly Iraqi sideshow. You don't give an enemy as dangerous as the socialists a stick to beat you with. It's just that simple.
If this is true, will you be more understanding of our position?
Given what we know about Saddam, he is not a person to trust with weapons of mass destruction either - he should have been killed off during the Gulf War.
Your logic is lacking. I don't know how or why you came to hold onto a militant anti-war position, but it defies reason and logic.
Oh by the way, the right is poised to win elections in Germany, just won on the Netherlands and Israel, and even Labour's lead over the Tories has dropped to just 4 points. So nothing of what you say is coming to pass.
Ivan
I've read that, and it prompts the obvious question: why haven't some of them been electronically intercepted saying things like 'bring the anthrax to laboratory B, 16 Hussein Street, Tikrit'? Can't US SIGINT produce some meat, to go with all the limp salad?
Give me a year of unfettered access in Iraq and I'll find an army buried in various parts of that country.
There's third and fourth options, amigo.
For starters, surely Saddam can be Tomahawked, without the uncertainty of a ground invasion? I've been around long enough to know that once a war starts you can expect the unexpected. And this war is coming at the wrong time in the US political cycle. By 2004 it'll be too late to advance our agenda without giving the Dems a 'heartless Republicans' free kick, and any Iraq creds will have receded in the public's mind.
Remember Bill Clinton? To use the President's words, all he managed to do was fire a million dollar missile to take out a 10 dollar tent and hit a camel in the butt.
I've been around long enough to know that once a war starts you can expect the unexpected.
Oh well, we shouldn't have fought Hitler then. Or even Galtieri. Too unpredictable.
And this war is coming at the wrong time in the US political cycle. By 2004 it'll be too late to advance our agenda without giving the Dems a 'heartless Republicans' free kick, and any Iraq creds will have receded in the public's mind.
If the outcome of war is unpredictable, how come the consquences to you are so predictably bad?
Ivan
Where I'm from (Perth), we wouldn't treat you so nicely.
Ive, you're going to compare Hitler and Galtieri, both of whom attacked British territory, with Saddam, who doesn't even control the northern and southern parts of his own country?
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