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Aerodynamics May Explain Space Shuttle Breakup: possible causes, consequences of Columbia disaster
TIME.com ^ | February 1, 2003 | Jeffrey Kluger

Posted on 02/01/2003 10:18:41 AM PST by Timesink

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To: Paleo Conservative
The Mercury-Redstone suborbital flights of Grissom and Sheppard used a different type of heat shield, in that case a heat sink. Heat sinks were also used on the RV's for the Atlas D and Thor missiles. The Mercury-Atlas capsules used an ablative heat shield. These were first tested in unmanned orbital flights.
Before the Vostok 1 (Gagarin's ride, I won't call it a mission since it was all ground control), the Soviets tested the Vostok craft with 5 Sputnik launches.
121 posted on 02/01/2003 2:00:23 PM PST by Fred Hayek
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To: Fred Hayek
"If not, you are as technically illiterate as the rest of the media loons including Dan Blather. "

I'm sorry, I can't focus on your point. I am much more interested by the brown material oozing out of your ears. The telemetry between shuttle and ground is uninterrupted from deorbit to landing. Do just a little bit of research and you will find this to be true. P;ease do not compare me to Dan "What is the frequency Kenneth?" Rather. There is a brief period when voice commo is nonexistant by your proposition but telemetry continues unabated.

122 posted on 02/01/2003 2:00:36 PM PST by Movemout (RIP you who dare and lose)
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To: .30Carbine
bump for the link at #113
123 posted on 02/01/2003 2:26:33 PM PST by TigersEye (Democrat - the abortion party.)
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To: Movemout
I'm signing off. Eight hours of trying to help is enough for me. I truly regret the loss of our astronauts and the effect on their families and us. There will be endless investigations and finger pointing. I also regret that. I hope that we, as a nation, have the intestinal fortitude to continue to explore. If not, our great grandchildren may be speaking Chinese.
124 posted on 02/01/2003 2:28:48 PM PST by Movemout (RIP you who dare and lose)
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To: G Larry
Seeing your experience I'm taking that as a healthy compliment, thanks.

I'm hoping we don't have a 2+ year wait here to get back in the game. Its bad enough that the program is basically on a shoe string. I want some of our eggs out of this basket and believe space exploration is THE way to go in the long run economically, from the military strategic standpoint, and because it provides a beacon of hope and dreams to even the lowest of us.

If I had a Gates-esque fortune I'd offer all of it for a chance to go up, even if it was in the worst tin can piece of Russian scrap available. People say to me "but its dangerous" and I reply that they've got to be high not to be willing to take even a 5 or 10% chance of death to do something that until 40 some odd years ago NO man had ever done. Even now only the most elite, the best, brightest and most blessed of humanity has ever done it. Have, from probably their childhood, set their sights on the heavens, surpassed thousands of others in their achievements, and won the rare and precious privledge of looking down from the heavens on this small blue orb or travelled to its moon.

Its hard to hold back a tear for the families and loved ones of the seven who perished but in my heart I know that that seven along with the Challenger crew, the Apollo crew and the Russian cosmonauts that have perished in this endevour will allways stand at the head of the line of greatest representatives of the human race who ever said "Follow me! Lets discover whats beyond there!"

Thanks to you and others like you also for devoting the years to making it possible too!
125 posted on 02/01/2003 4:03:14 PM PST by Axenolith (God bless our Spacefarers and Explorers...)
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To: NonValueAdded
>>...Seems to me that if it was a spacecraft attitude problem, the words would have been different...<<

I tend to agree with you. If the orbiter had been in an unusual attitude due to drag caused by tile loss, they'd know about it and be reacting to it.

126 posted on 02/01/2003 4:47:03 PM PST by FReepaholic
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To: Movemout
Well in all seriousness I think you're making the best of a tough situation. Sometimes, like today, we all have to.

By the way, just yesterday a friend suggested I donate my brain to Science. She checked on it and reported to me that Science has an opening next Wednesday afternoon.

127 posted on 02/01/2003 6:21:17 PM PST by Erasmus
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To: RaceBannon
A review of the records of the STS-86 records revealed that a change to
the type of foam was used on the external tank. This event is significant
because the pattern of damage on this flight was similar to STS-87 but to a
much lesser degree. The reason for the change in the type of foam is due to
the desire of NASA to use "environmentally friendly" materials in the space
program. Freon was used in the production of the previous foam. This method
was eliminated in favor of foam that did not require freon for its
production. MSFC is investigating the consideration that some
characteristics of the new foam may not be known for the ascent
environment."


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128 posted on 02/01/2003 11:10:11 PM PST by Jael (Did you see this?)
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To: Timesink
The foam on the ET is really there to prevent or at least reduce the amount of ice that forms due to condensation. Pieces of ice breaking off can cause serious damage to the Orbiter itself. Same goes with other rockets used in the past. Remember the old Apollo launches with all the ice breaking of on liftoff?
The piece of foam that broke off on STS-107 wasn't very large. But was it just foam, or foam with ice formed on it? The ice would make the impact much more significant. Although NASA did say, with the initial report, that it was unlikely that it posed a danger. As we see, that could possibly be wrong.
I fear that we will never, never find out what happened to Columbia. Unlike Challenger there we really no hi quality, hi speed cameras aimed at the craft at the timeof breakup. Also, Columbia broke up at just over 200,000 ft. at Mach 18 or so. Challenger Exploded at 65,000ft at Mach 1.5 (going on memory here.) The Atlantic Ocean impeded parts recovery, but the open terrain of Texas will certainly make recovery easier. But my God the debris field is enormous. It makes the Challenger debris field look small. 25,000 square miles or so? How much will we recover? Maybe 25%? That may be on the high side.
As for the "Black Boxes" yes there were FDR (Flight Data Recorders) on board. But they were NOT hardened as "Black Boxes" on aircraft are. As for the FDR being analog or digital, well I don't know. Hopefully, since she went thru a refitting just a few years ago to the "Glass Cockpit" upgrade, they will be digital and not tape.
Now something that really annoys me is all these so-called experts on TV that speak about the Shuttle. It reminds me of the CNN reporters during the Gulf War who simply didn’t know a soviet T-72 from an American M-1A1. I tired of hearing the "experts" talk about friction being the heat source during reentry. Anyone out there with an aerodynamics degree? The heat is caused from compression. There is some heat from friction, but it's minor compared to compression. As the shuttle (or any other super or hypersonic aircraft) moves thru the atmosphere, it pushes the air out of the way, thereby compressing it. When you compress something the energy is converted to heat. Huge amounts of heat. That it why the temperatures on the surface of the shuttle reach 3,000 degrees F.


In my humble opinion,

AJIHLE
P.S. Sorry about any typos, I was in a hurry.
129 posted on 02/04/2003 8:44:07 AM PST by ajihle
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