[Burkeman1]

I am not familiar with the examples you cite. I just know that my Uncle helped drill wells in Saudi Arabia and used a myriad of geological dating methods that told him the Earth was much older than 8 thousand years old to find it. Sorry. But not only that. The scientific evidence is so overwhelming as to not even make me take you seriously any longer. You may as well say the Earth is flat.

[LiteKeeper]

But you see, that is the point, the evidence is not overwhelming. Point to one thing you know for sure is a proven fact about evolution. The evolutionists would have you believe so, but it just is not there.

[LiteKeeper]

BTW - how did your uncle date the core samples that he drilled?

[Mind-numbed Robot]

IMO, the argument is not really about evolution versus creation but is at heart a debate about the existence of God. Once God is accepted, the method becomes moot. Once God is denied, creation becomes moot.

This argument, and all like it, usually ends in a cul-de-sac where you meet yourself coming back. By that I mean that the debate over God's existence cannot end in proof but only in choice. Proof would destroy God, by the traditional definition, so what is the point? That leaves you with choice and faith or choice and emptiness. Either way it is choice.

Debate and consideration is often the only way for many of us to get there. It was for me. Yet, in the end, you find the cul-de-sac and end up right back where you started - personal choice. I chose existence.