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Taliban, Clinton, Saudi Involvement - All laid out in a book published in 2000 (from USMC.MIL site) ^

Posted on 01/31/2003 2:49:24 PM PST by chance33_98

D. Kabul 1996: Commander of the Faithful

· 4 April 1996 Omar appeared on rooftop wrapped in the Cloak of the Prophet Mohammed. Omar thus assumed the right to lead not just all Afghans but all Muslims. No Afghan had adopted the title since 1834.

· Clinton Administration was sympathetic to the Taliban as they were in line with Washington’s anti-Iran policy and were important for the success of any southern pipeline from Central Asia that would avoid Iran. Bhutto sent several emissaries to urge the US to intervene more publicly on the side of the Taliban and Pakistan, but Washington resisted.

· Sept 1996 Taliban took Kabul and tortured, castrated, and hung President Najibullah. Despite enormous losses in taking Kabul, Taliban prestige had never been higher. The cost of the victory however was the deepening ethnic and sectarian divide that was clearly dividing the country and polarizing the region.


2. Book Summary:

A. Introduction:

· Vast majority of Taliban never fought the Soviets and were young Koranic students, drawn from hundreds of madrassas in Pakistani refugee camps.

· Came rapidly to the forefront in 1994.

· The Pashtun Taliban has brought the question of inter-ethnic relations to the forefront.

· Understanding the Taliban is difficult because of the secrecy that surrounds their political structure, their leadership and the decision-making process. They do not issue press releases, policy statements or hold regular press conferences. With the ban on photography and television, nobody knows what the leaders look like. (Recent events have provided some new insights).

· Iran, Turkey, India, Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan have backed anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have backed the Taliban.

· Competition between Western oil companies and regional states has become the new Great Game.

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Until the Africa bombings and despite US pressure to end their support for the Taliban, the Saudis continued to fund the Taliban and were silent on the need to extradite OBL. The truth about the Saudi silence was even more complicated. The Saudis preferred to leave OBL alone in Afghanistan because his trial by the Americans could expose the deep relationship that OBL continued to have with sympathetic members of the Royal Family and elements within Saudi intelligence, which could prove deeply embarrassing.

< snip >

The Clinton Administration was desperately looking for a diversion as it wallowed through the Monica Lewinsky affair and needed an all-purpose, simple explanation for unexplained terrorist acts. OBL became the center of what was promulgated by Washington as a global conspiracy against the US. What Washington was not prepared to admit was that the Afghan jihad, with the support of the CIA, had spawned dozens of fundamentalist movements across the Muslim world which were led by militants who had grievances, not so much against the Americans, but their own corrupt, incompetent regimes. As early as 19992-93 Egyptian and Algerian leaders at the highest level had advised Washington to re-engage diplomatically in Afghanistan in order to bring about peace so as to end the presence of the Arab-Afghans. Washington ignored the warnings and continued to ignore Afghanistan even as the civil war there escalated.

TOPICS: News/Current Events
Extensive review and summary of book, much much more then I posted here- fascinating read.

Taliban, Ahmed Rashid

(2000, Yale Univ Press, New Haven, CT)

[ISBN 0-300-08902-3]; 216 pages

1 posted on 01/31/2003 2:49:24 PM PST by chance33_98
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To: jwalsh07; Inkie; rdb3; JavaTheHutt; packrat35; cake_crumb; Mad Dawgg; mafree; 11B3; OKSooner; ...
Ping - if you want on or off my ping list drop me a freepmail (and if you did and I forgot to take you off my apologies, I consolidated lists and accidentally had a few names on twice - my humblest apologies if you were mistakenly pinged!)
2 posted on 01/31/2003 2:57:32 PM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: chance33_98
3 posted on 01/31/2003 3:00:42 PM PST by Check6
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To: chance33_98
In 1996 a Unocal executive, told wire agencies that the pipeline project would be easier to implement now that the Taliban had captured Kabul. The statement was retracted but the damage was done. Unocal’s gaffes and the confusion in the State Department only further convinced Iran, Russia, the CARs, and the anti-Taliban alliance and most Pakistanis and Afghans that the US-Unocal partnership was backing the Taliban and wanted an all-out Taliban victory. - Unocal Statement: Suspension of activities related to proposed natural gas pipeline across Afghanistan (1998) - Unocal Statement: Company not supporting Taliban in any way (Sept 14, 2001)

As we say on FR - Interesting...

4 posted on 01/31/2003 3:02:36 PM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: Check6

Yep. ;)

5 posted on 01/31/2003 3:04:02 PM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: Grampa Dave
You'll wanna read this carefully.
6 posted on 01/31/2003 3:29:52 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: All

If war continues in Afghanistan, Pakistan will face a Taliban-style Islamic revolution, which will further destabilize the entire region. Iran will remain on the periphery of the world community and its western borders will continue to be wracked by instability. The CARs will not be able to deliver their energy and mineral exports by the shortest routes and as their economies crash, they will face an Islamic upsurge and instability.


7 posted on 01/31/2003 3:32:08 PM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: Carry_Okie
You'll wanna read this carefully.

Also worth noting: Submitted by: LtCol Noel Williams, PP&O, Strategic Initiatives Group

8 posted on 01/31/2003 3:32:56 PM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: chance33_98
I don't know. I'm not so sure it was the CIA that spawned the fundamentalists groups in Afghanistan. I think OBL spawned them as a reaction to increased western presence in the region ( because of the pipeline)
9 posted on 01/31/2003 3:37:43 PM PST by virgil
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To: Carry_Okie
BTW - what's your take on it? All those lefties whining about Bush and Oil need to take a long hard look at Clinton.
10 posted on 01/31/2003 3:46:30 PM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: virgil
OBL was a freedom fighter in Afghanistan. He was familiar with the area, and he got along famously with Omar. Not only that, OBL believed that the caves of Afghanistan were an ideal place for a terrorist network to hide in. Major influence over the regime, heroine exports. Oil was just icing on the cake, IMHO, more an after thought than anything else. Perhaps someone in the Clinton administration was interested in it. OBL had countless short term considerations that greatly outweighed that long term consideration.
11 posted on 01/31/2003 3:49:11 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
12 posted on 01/31/2003 3:55:21 PM PST by tracer
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To: tracer
Funny, many of the liberal sites that often mention FR threads have been quiet about this one so far. Wonder why...(probaly same reason they are quiet on these ones:)

Taliban, Clinton, Saudi Involvement - All laid out in a book published in 2000 (from USMC.MIL site)

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13 posted on 01/31/2003 4:01:09 PM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: chance33_98
Interesting : I posted a review of this book about 2 weeks ago and got FLAMED because I dared to report that both Republican and Democrat administrations had screwed up - and screw up they did !! We sent Billions of dollars to these people - trusting Pakistan to administer the funds. The Saudis, who had Wahabi Muslim ( Islamic fundamentalists who are virtual twins to the Taliban ) cells operating in Pakistan and Afghanistan , matched the billions we supplied.
14 posted on 01/31/2003 4:14:18 PM PST by genefromjersey (Dances Through Flames)
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To: genefromjersey
Shame you got flamed - That is why I posted this from the USMC link (which is where I found it while looking for something else). Not to mention the rundown given by, LtCol Noel Williams, PP&O, Strategic Initiatives Group.

For me it is not about blaming America, it is an examination of our policies and particulary those of the Clinton times.

To say the US has made mistakes is not wrong, to say we are to blame for the things that occured (like 9/11) is just plain stupid. I am all for understanding that region of the world and how we can better model policy which suits our needs - and the best way to do that is look at what has not worked. We need stability there, whitewashing the past will not help us in the future.

A main aim in posting this for me was all those lurkers who make clinton out to be a saint and whine about Bush and oil. They blame 9/11 on bush, terrorism on bush, etc. By their own arguments they should be able to see here that 8 years of Clinton ravaged our foreign policy, Give Bush a chance to undo the damage.

15 posted on 01/31/2003 4:21:08 PM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: chance33_98
Personally, I think Bush is doing a pretty good job : much better than Al Bore would have done.
I do worry about the Iraq situation igniting other Muslim countries; but, all things considered, they already hate us like poison.
16 posted on 01/31/2003 4:31:43 PM PST by genefromjersey (Dances Through Flames)
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To: chance33_98
Amazon has some sample pages, the covers and the TOC available online.

(click picture)

17 posted on 01/31/2003 4:43:25 PM PST by Fixit
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To: chance33_98
Many thanks for the great links. All the best....
18 posted on 01/31/2003 4:56:48 PM PST by tracer
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To: Cindy
19 posted on 01/31/2003 6:06:43 PM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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