Sorry, Mr. Franklin, “We’re All Democrats Now”

Hon. Ron Paul ^ | Jan 29 2003 | Hon. Ron Paul

[EBUCK]

VERRRRY Long but well worth the read.

[TheJollyRoger]

Very few recognize that democracy is dangerous, and should not be practiced. The REPUBLIC, alas, is no more. Sad.

[dasboot]

Yeah Ron, the Republic's , and we shouldn't get entangled in foreign stuff; but geez!

Pirates are attackin' us here and over there (with the help of those subversive commies who ended the Republic in the first place); and if we don't get busy hangin' some of 'em, there might not be an American Democracy to re-Repulicanize!

[EBUCK]

Long but good.

[Princeliberty]

An example of how democracy is worshipped is
the poll mania.
They will take polls about policy issues
that the average person has no hope of understanding
with the actual suggestion this should direct policy.

Do we want polls on how to conduct open heart
surgery and have the general public direct
the doctors?

Anyway, a Republic means the nation is governed
by the rule of law not a by a single tyrant
a Junta of Tyrants or the Majority Mob.
Anything other that a Republic will
lead eventually to total slavery.

The mob cannot govern and will like the
French Revolution did give what the
rule of tyrants ruling with an iron fist.
In our case our dictator may very will
be Hillary the First.

[Dead Corpse]

Sorry EBUCK, it's also already been posted.

It's a good read even the second time around though...

;-)

[EBUCK]

I don't think that Ron (and I certainly don't) thinks we should just bend over and take it from the pirates. It's just that Bush has gone to great lengths to skirt the Constitution and that sets a dangerous tone for future administrations......But, I'm still reading thru it so I could be wrong.

[EBUCK]

Guess I didn't search it out well enough, used the title but didn't get anything....

[Dead Corpse]

Granted, the search engine only works on mon-wed between 07:00 and 13:00, and only if you use the same exact font. ;-)

[dasboot]

yeah, I generally love Ron's committment to the Constitution and all, but I think he has a doctrinair's weakness. Fortuitously, we still have enough of a republic left that our president can get the lead out without having to submit to a plebecite (site?) for every contingency.

Prez has the authority to act as a monarch, by design when the need arises: and I think the need has arisen.

[Redbob]

Sorry, but our first dictator has already left us: Abraham Lincoln.

As the man observed, "Sic semper tyrannus!"

[BlackbirdSST]

VERRRRY Long but well worth the read. I'll say! Look's worth it for what I did consume, bookmarked for later read! Thanks. Blackbird.

[45Auto]

"As long as the 16th Amendment is in place, the odds are slim that we can restore a constitutional republic dedicated to liberty."

[dasboot]

Agreed, 'bout Lincoln. But those transgressions were applied domestically , and the Iraqis can't claim immunity even under Law of Nations, Natural Law, or the Constitution (this disregards the domestic actions taken by the administration....)

[EBUCK]

Prez has the authority to act as a monarch, by design when the need arises: and I think the need has arisen.

To some extent he has that power, in an emergency he should use it as well. As in an attack-counterattack scenario. But this, that aint. Commin up on two years since we were attacked, we went in and bombed Afganistan back to the precambrian and that should be the extent of the prez's Kingly powers IMO.

If we're going to allow this then we will esentially allow anything becuse there is no emergengy here, no need for Kingly authority. Plenty of time to deliberate, as it was intended.

[dasboot]

17th Amendment gotta go, too.

[dasboot]

Congress gave the prez the imprimatur on his WOT...wherever, whenever, and for long as it takes. Let them go back into session and vote to revoke it. I don't think they should: consider Adams, Jefferson, and Madison's battles with this stuff. Pesky Pirates!

[dasboot]

Oh yeah:

I kinda agree with what you say about deliberation; but I think there's a great danger to that course: Dems, commies and useful idiots--who killed the Republic...and are working hard to ditch what we've got left) will not act, or vote, in the interest of the U.S. , its citizens, or world peace. They will obstruct, hobble, and jockey for political advantage while the world decays around us. They will act according to that which furthers the cause of socialism.

Bush descries the danger, and I, with him. The planet is heading for a greater, necessary order--just the nature of modern times--but the foundation for that order, already laid by the U.N., and socialist in its contours, must be supplanted by an order based upon the tenets expressed in the Declaration of '76....not the termite-society engendering constructs of communists...like Ted K and Chirac and Mandella and Schroeder and Clinton.........

[EBUCK]

It seems to me that trying to base the world politic on good ol '76 is what got us here in the first place.

Also, we elected these people and they can't be trusted, and your solution is to give Bush (and whoever follows) total autonomy in matters of war? I disagree, strongly. If the peoples reps don't want to go to war what makes one mans (god help us if it becomes "the" one womans) opinion more valid?

My opinion is that we should smite those that attack us and leave the rest to eat each other. Once they all get their fill and realize there is nothing left to eat they will come clamoring for our wisdom. Until then we are forcing unwanted idealogy down involuntary throats.

And you are right, ina kind-a sort-a way congress has authorized Iraq and whatever follows. Not in the "right" way but at least they had a say.

[Fiddlstix]

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