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Bill Would Ban Smoking In Car With Kids
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Posted on 01/31/2003 7:38:52 AM PST by chance33_98



Bill Would Ban Smoking In Car With Kids

Georgia Democrat Proposes Bill To State House

POSTED: 9:47 a.m. EST January 31, 2003

ATLANTA -- Smoking in a car carrying a child would be illegal under a bill proposed Thursday in the Georgia House of Representatives.

Democrat Paul Smith proposed the bill to make it a misdemeanor to smoke in a vehicle where a child is restrained in a car seat. The misdemeanor would carry a fine and include cigars, cigarettes and pipes.

"This is just protecting the kids from secondhand smoke," Smith said. "It's damaging to adults and it's even more dangerous to children."

Smith said he knew of no other state with such a law but is optimistic the Legislature will consider the smoking bill.

"We've got to start somewhere," he said.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: antismoking; nannystate; pufflist; smoking
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To: chance33_98
Democrat Paul Smith proposed the bill to make it a misdemeanor to smoke in a vehicle where a child is restrained in a car seat. The misdemeanor would carry a fine and include cigars, cigarettes and pipes.

And how many taxpayers dollars does Mr. Smith think will be spent on enforcement of this "feel good" legislation?

Where does Mr. Smith think these dollars are going to be found in the state budget?

Oh it's for the children. Sorry, never mind. Spare no expense!!!

41 posted on 01/31/2003 9:14:50 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: hapy; freeper12
my mother smoked and still does like a chimney. I have no health problems

Their argument will become - well, it MIGHT have an affect on them, it has on some, so just in case we better make it a CRIMINAL offense. And while we are at it - we will regulate how often you eat out (it's bad for some kids too). Oh and that shopping card for the grocery store? We will make sure you buy things the government deems good for your kids - or else.

From studies I have seen posted here of late, kids eating bad is a much larger epidemic and has many worse affects (and is more widespread) then kids who have parents that smoke. So lets regulate some more!

42 posted on 01/31/2003 9:14:51 AM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: chance33_98
Again---tobacco smokers, welcome to the party. We'll slide over a bit, there's plenty of room around here.

Love,
The Dopers

43 posted on 01/31/2003 9:16:28 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: chance33_98
This BS may fly in New York City. But down here in Georgia this guy is committing political suicide by supporting this.
44 posted on 01/31/2003 9:17:52 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: henderson field
If you want to put me in jail for smoking in my car, just get out of my country.

You haven't been paying attention. That's not the way we do it here. If somebody engages in an activity we don't like, we lobby, legislate, and generally agitate to have it declared illegal. It's the American way, and its most certainly NOT relegated to the Left only.

45 posted on 01/31/2003 9:18:56 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: hapy; freeper12; All
When the left outlaws the murder of children through abortion I might, just might, start taking them serious when it comes to kids and health issues...
46 posted on 01/31/2003 9:19:19 AM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Yup, and we smoker's were warning the SUV drivers and twinkie lovers for the longest time. We welcomed them to the part a few months ago.
47 posted on 01/31/2003 9:19:28 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: chance33_98
>>Looks like your doing the same thing you whined about for years. Hypocrites.<<

The left wants a Nanny state -- Canada is their idea of political Nirvana. It is 100% about control and 0% about actually doing any good in the world. That which one can regulate is that which one can control.

I wish there was a stronger word than Hypocrite for them.
48 posted on 01/31/2003 9:21:37 AM PST by freedumb2003
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Again---tobacco smokers, welcome to the party. We'll slide over a bit, there's plenty of room around here.

Don't forget our friends in the gun group! As I said before, the left is out not only preaching their religion, they are forcing it on everyone else. Guess I am going to start thumping my bible at the state legislature - the logic in there is more sound then the crap they are spewing. I will just say 'it is for the eternal souls of the children, if we save just one soul....'.

Guess the only ones allowed to force beliefs upon people are the left - take down those 10 commandments, and put out that cigarette! ;)

49 posted on 01/31/2003 9:22:26 AM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: freeper12
How about the freedom of kids to grow up without asthma or lung cancer from negligent parents?

First off, smoking around a person (child or otherwise) does not CAUSE asthma. it may exacerrbate a pre-existing condition, but it did not cause the problem to begin with.

Second, less and less kids are exposed to tobacco smoke than ever before, yet the rates of asthma and other respiratory illness in children is skyrocketing. If smoking were the root of the problem don't you think the numbers would be declining, instead of increasing? the World Health Organization (WHO) did the largest study ever on SHS exposure and lyng cancer and found no statistically significant increase of lung cancer in non-smokers forom exposure both at home and in the work place.

Incidentally, the only statistically significant fact that did come out of the study was a lower risk of lung cancer in kids exposed than in those not exposed.

50 posted on 01/31/2003 9:22:37 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smokers speak with forked tongues.)
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To: Gerish
Exactly how are they going to enforce this? Police smoking road blocks? Please - where is the common sense?

It'll start with police stops. A cop will have you roll down your window and if the inside of your car smells like butts and you've got a kid in there, if he doesn't see a butt in the ashtray he'll ask you to step out of your car and he'll frisk you for cigs. Later, when this brilliant piece of legislation is accepted by the public, but hasn't yet solved the problem of "kids being hurt by tobacco," the law will be extended to your home---guaranteed. Then the cops will have to rely upon "informants" to bust you.

This is a well-worn path, my tobacco smoking friends!


51 posted on 01/31/2003 9:23:02 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Bella_Bru
Yup, and we smoker's were warning the SUV drivers and twinkie lovers for the longest time. We welcomed them to the part a few months ago.

Me, I'm a multiple threat: a doper, a pipe smoker, a pick-up truck driver, a married white male homeowner with no children . . . I feel like Trotsky sometimes.

52 posted on 01/31/2003 9:27:19 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: chance33_98
Well put, Chance.
53 posted on 01/31/2003 9:28:04 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
LOL! I drive a car that I am pretty sure will NOT pass the CA smog test this year, while smoking. I swear the greenies will be coming for me any day now.
54 posted on 01/31/2003 9:29:35 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: chance33_98
>>When the left outlaws the murder of children through abortion I might, just might, start taking them serious when it comes to kids and health issues...

That is a difficult one to understand isn't it?...I for one think that unborn children should be protected, as should born children.

A lot of conservatives will argue that unborn children should be protected, but once they are born the parents should pretty much have free reign to do whatever they want with little interference from the state.

A lot of lefties will argue that unborn children have no rights, but once they are born, the parents should have no rights and the kids/state have the rights.

Logically, it seems my position, that we should make efforts to protect both the born and unborn children is the most consistent....apparently most of the people on this thread don't see it that way....like I said...hard to understand. but we are all entitled to our views I guess.
55 posted on 01/31/2003 9:45:28 AM PST by freeper12
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To: chance33_98
"We've got to start somewhere," he said.

I agree.

Why doesn't he start in hell and if he climbs out of it, then we can talk.

56 posted on 01/31/2003 9:47:43 AM PST by A2J (If all else fails, blame it on someone else.)
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To: freeper12
Logically, it seems my position, that we should make efforts to protect both the born and unborn children is the most consistent....apparently most of the people on this thread don't see it that way..

I disagree with you. I see your point perfectly and it is consitent and thoughtful and makes complete sense.

The point for most on this thread is that legislating common sense is going too far.

57 posted on 01/31/2003 9:48:49 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smokers speak with forked tongues.)
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To: Taliesan
Is it harmful to the kids?

it is of great dispute as to whether 2'nd hand smoke harms children or others who are exposed. Some studies conclude that it causes harm, some conclude that there's no evidence of this. But once I read in National Review that somebody doing a study for federal government on this complained to journalists that they were pressured to find health problems with 2'nd hand smoke. I don't think the studies showing health problems with 2'nd hand smoke are honest. It is ridiculous to tell smokers they can't smoke in presence of their children. The proponents of these bills have a great desire for evil IMHO.

58 posted on 01/31/2003 9:55:36 AM PST by Red Jones
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To: Ides of March
in my city about 4 years ago they actually passed a law outlawing the smoking of cigarettes outside if you are within 5 feet of another person. Even two smokers can't walk down the sidewalk together smoking without breaking the law. This is the law, but the police don't enforce the law.
59 posted on 01/31/2003 9:58:16 AM PST by Red Jones
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To: Gabz
Once I worked with a young guy only 2 years out of high school. He went on endlessly bad-mouthing one of our customers who was a 75 year old chain smoker. But the same individual allowed that he smoked crack on weekends. The young people in our society are being indoctrinated to be insane, no common sense at all.
60 posted on 01/31/2003 10:04:52 AM PST by Red Jones
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