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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Do you dispute the notion that many women, especially the upscale, haute-couture sect, buy clothes they may not intrinsically like just to have whatever's the hottest, latest, most trend-setting fashion of the moment?

Yes, I do that notion. I never had a woman tell me, "I hate this, but it is so in right now..."

Do you dispute the notion that part of what fuels the fashion industry is the desire of women with great disposable incomes to have the latest and greatest and most cutting-edge?

Yes, I do dispute that notion. Women (in general) just want to look nice. Those with great disposable incomes (at least the ones I know) really do not know what they want.

Do you dispute the notion that fashion eventually trickles down through the economic classes, albeit redesigned from the extreme just so much that it's slightly more in tune with the less-radical tastes and sensibilities of the Great Unwashed?

I do know that fashion trends trickle down. I don't really know what what your getting at here.

I don't understand your usage of the "Great Unwashed". Almost all people in the U.S. wash regularly. Are you using the term to refer to "the masses" It's hard to pin down "the masses" in this country. The middle class is too big.

These two paragraphs do more for my point than yours. The great majority of American men are not homosexual and don't want to appear as such, and that's precisely why men don't respond to the fashion industry the way women do.

From this you seem to be saying women DO want to appear homosexual....

I'm not sure where we're heading with this here. My point is homosexual clothing designers do not want women to look like boys. They just design clothing women might find attractive. Since their thoughts are more feminine, their designs are more feminine. Women are attracted to the feminine clothing. Guys, not being feminine (for the most part) are not attracted to similar clothing.

What is your point in short? That homosexual designers DO want women to look like little boys?

Oh, btw, are you a lawyer?

77 posted on 01/31/2003 8:22:59 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: jjm2111
I'm not sure where we're heading with this here. My point is homosexual clothing designers do not want women to look like boys. They just design clothing women might find attractive. Since their thoughts are more feminine, their designs are more feminine. Women are attracted to the feminine clothing. Guys, not being feminine (for the most part) are not attracted to similar clothing.

You're entitled to your opinion, however, I think it's at odds with plainly observable facts.

What is your point in short? That homosexual designers DO want women to look like little boys?

My point is that homosexuals in the fashion industry seem to prefer skinny, teen-aged boys. Ergo, they design clothes that look best on skinny, teen-aged boys. Would you prefer if I wrote that homosexuals in the fashion industry don't mind pushing androgyny in the fashion industry? Would that be more palatable to you?

Oh, btw, are you a lawyer?

I'm just Hemingway's Ghost.

94 posted on 01/31/2003 8:44:06 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: jjm2111
My point is homosexual clothing designers do not want women to look like boys. They just design clothing women might find attractive.

Ummmmm..... not to argue but as a female fairly well-endowed with hips, size 10-12, the clothes right now are made for 5'7" hipless, bustless chicks. It does not look good on petites, especially not when the proportions approach "perfect". Most dresses hang from the shoulders - well at least are designed to. On some us they hang from other parts and make us look frumpy. Designers make clothes THEY like and look attractive on the bodies THEY would like to see. Don't fool yourself. Since Coco Channel, there hasn't been an innovator interested in making women actually look attractive to men.

There are compelling reasons for women to know how to sew. I'm telling you.
97 posted on 01/31/2003 8:52:28 AM PST by Desdemona
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