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'Clump of cells' makes a baby-size impression in a broken heart
The Free Lance-Star ^ | 1/29/03 | JENNIFER PETITT

Posted on 01/29/2003 6:29:41 PM PST by madprof98

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To: madprof98
I actually meant for post 20 to go to you. Thanx for the article.
21 posted on 01/29/2003 9:15:22 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: 20yearvet
Even with the loss of a child through miscarriage, you never forget them as you and your wife probably know. I lost 2 children through miscarriage and I will never forget the emptiness I felt afterward (have 4 children now who are such wonderful gifts). However, I always will have great hope that one day I will meet those children I have lost in Heaven and I can't wait to hold them!
22 posted on 01/30/2003 7:21:41 AM PST by Gerish
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Thanks for the ping...


23 posted on 01/30/2003 7:59:26 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (9 out of 10 Republicans agree: Bush IS a Genius !!)
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To: MeeknMing
An individual human life begins at conception. That life, your life, or my life, is a continuum of individuality. That continuum originates as a single cell and, if things run as normal, will provide trillions of cells throughout a lifetime. Each 'benchmark' along the continuum of an individual life is an arbitrary assignment based on form and function but just as real a stage, or age of the individual human being begun at conception.

The other day, someone raised the twinning argument, to try and refute the truth that an individual's human life begins at conception. [Think about it: people work hard to try and refute the truth. Why do they do that? Guilt and/or an agenda founded in disbelief or willful rejection of the truth.] Since science is absolutely firm on the truth that an individual life begins at conception, only one of two possible answers must be the truth about twinning: 1) within the single cell at fecundation (conception) there must exist the genetic quantity of two or more individual beings, or 2) something is in the first single cell of twins that will split the genetic material soon to express the two individual beings, some anomoly that will act to 'split the road' that is both of them at the start.

The point to focus upon is both twins originated in the first single cell at fecundation (at conception). Every individual human being has its beginning as a single cell, the first age of its individual lifetime. If, within the first five days of fecundation, a second identical individual, or even a third individual presents and grows along the continuum of individual life, each of those individuals had their origin in the first single cell of fecundation. There is no other truthful conclusion possible. Within the first single cell at fecundation are all the individuals conceived in that conception.

Since it is a fact that an individual lifetime is a continuum that begins at fecundation, at conception, it is glaringly paradoxical to arbitrarily remove any age along that continuum in an effort to prove a later start to the continuum (kind of like saying you hold a single strand of rope, but then you cut the rope a foot from your left hand and assert that the after-cut rope is the exact same length rope you held before you cut a foot off of it AND pointing to the short tag of rope on the floor, assert that that piece of rope was never a part of the piece you were left holding AFTER you made the cut). If a person tells you that he or she originated at 18 weeks from conception, or originated when she or he took their first breath, or originated when his or her brain first had a thought, or originated when his or her heart muscle first contracted, or originated when her or his gonads first functioned, just remember, the lifetime of every individual human BEING begins at their unique conception/fecundation and to choose some other point to believe the continuum begins is absolutely arbitrarily illogical, not based in science or truth.

And yes, with first cell division, at least one HUMAN BEING is present on the continuum of at least one human lifetime.

24 posted on 01/30/2003 9:41:20 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: reformed_dem; madprof98; victim soul
BTTT
25 posted on 01/30/2003 11:08:12 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: madprof98
My wife and I have gone through three miscarriages.. the last one, I was there with her in the hospital room when it finally emerged and landed as a clump on the floor. The hospital care was worse than awful, this place is known for being perhaps the worst hospital in the city, but it was the closest one..

In tears, we cleaned up, they gave us a cup so they could save the remains to be tested, this was beyond traumatic.. I'll never forget how many of the young people who worked at this hospital came by the room and looked into the cup, just to satisfy their morbid curiosities, while we sat there devastated.. (Lets just say that if you are ever in South Florida, dont you ever go to the hospital that stands at the intersection of 826 and I-95, but I digress).

We have since had a son, who is now 15 months, and I love him so much, it scares me. As I have told others, I would destroy worlds for him.. but anyways, my wife is now pregnant again, 9 weeks now, and we are crossing our fingers, and holding our breaths, trying to do the right things..

Indeed, I am a former pro-choicer, and have used all those arguments that are refferred to in this article. I still prefer to see things terminated as early as possible. But I know that its still no where near a good thing, just a slightly less ghastly version of a horrible thing..

26 posted on 02/03/2003 12:35:18 PM PST by Paradox
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