Daley Attacks Your Privacy (Yes, even if you don't live in Illinois)

Illinois State Rifle Association ^ | 1-28-03

[SJackson]

Daley and his gun grabbing goons stepped up their attacks on law-abiding gun owners this week.

In arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court this week, Daley's attorney, Larry Rosenthal, claimed that the public has a right to know who owns firearms.

The Supreme Court will be hearing an appeal of Chicago's suit against the ATF in which Chicago is demanding copies of all 4473s filed since 1992. If Chicago prevails in this suit, it will mean that anyone, including gang banger, gun grabbers, and crooked cops, can get copies of all 4473s filled out at the time a gun is purchased.

[SJackson]

How much money should the NRA pour down that rathole anyway?

They needed to fight this one. It's not just Chicago. If Daley wins, your neighbor can do a FOIA request to check on your gun purchases. If the Clinton justice dept was still around, this would be a done thing.

[SJackson]

The only way to retain your legally-acquired firearms will be by having inherited them. They obviously plan to get them with Nazi-style house-to-house sweeps.

They're doing the sweeps now. In Illinois your inherited firearms aren't legal unless you have an FOID. Wouldn't be hard to match deaths to that database. I can visualize the CAGE unit showing up at the berieved's home after the funeral for the guns.

[Shooter 2.5]

No, the NRA doesn't have to fight this one. Sorry.

Let's pretend for a second that all the detractors to the NRA are correct and everyone quit the NRA. The NRA no longer exits.

Let the other gun groups fight this one.

[Marauder]

They're doing the sweeps now.

Man, that is scary. I guess it's time to break out the FMJ and spare clips.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Yes, they are. Even when people use handguns (which are illegally illegal in Chicago)to protect themselves or others they are not prosecuted though the guns are probably seized.

But rifles and shotguns are legal so your statement about the residents being disarmed is false. There are enough bad policies in Chicago and Illinois with regard to firearms there need be no exaggerations or falsehoods spread.

Foids have been required for at least 35 yrs. and probably longer. Think of all the crimes they have prevented (we know how law abiding thugs are don't we?)

[BenR2]

The people in Chicago are getting the government they want. I'm through shedding tears for the place after I got out.

I used to live in the suburbs as a kid, myself. Thank God my Dad got transferred out of that snake pit.

[from occupied ga]

Not that I'd ever move to that communist $hithole on the lake, but I bet my Uzi (legal here) would not be welcome, and what about Morons Grove? All firearms have been banned there since the 70's. Plus didn't Il elect freedom hating Rod Blojerkoffbitch, one of Sara Brady's congressional floor leaders, as gov? In addition when the police make sweeps of public housing for "guns and drugs" it is my understanding that the seize all guns. If this isn't true please let me know.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Chicago is a beautiful city filled with incredible people and culture (you have heard the word, I hope.) Morton Grove is irrelevent to criticisms of Chicago. Yes, Illinois elected blowhardavitch but that happened because the GOP destroyed itself in the primary and ran a candidate with the same last name as the universally reviled George Ryan. Adolf Hitler would have done as well against Rod. After electing a backstabbing SOB who called himself a republican seeing RB elected was certainly no surprise.

I don't know what the deal is with sweeps of public housing but they are not random and when they occur it is generally after some atrocity that the inmates have committed. However, it is a known fact that the gangsters who control these buildings are not people whose 2d amendment rights I support.

[from occupied ga]

Chicago is a beautiful city

My sister lived there for years. I guess I missed the beautiful parts every time I've been there. It looked like any other big city -lots of big buildings surrounded by even more little buildings - except for the lake. How much does an apartment by the lake run?

filled with incredible people

Yes where everybody is above the median I'm sure :-)

and culture (you have heard the word, I hope.)

Yes I think I heard of the word once. I believe it means the government is corrupt and run by a bunch of home grown neo-national socialists, taxes are high, the police are thugs, but people have a lot of circuses and some of the plundered money is spent supporting "artists" like Robert Maplethorp or something like that. At least that's my understanding of the definition of the word as used in the above context.

However, it is a known fact that the gangsters who control these buildings are not people whose 2d amendment rights I support.

Since public housing is controlled by the city government are you agreeing with me that the minions of the city government should not be allowed to be armed?

[justshutupandtakeit]

I doubt if you could find a studio apt by the lake for less than a grand a month. But some who live there work in the Loop so they don't have to travel much thus their transportation costs are lower. However, there are many great communities on the NW side where I live. Quiet, clean, safe and relatively (for Chicago) affordable. I moved here in 64 from SE Arkansas and have never regretted it.

No that would be Lake Wobegone a little to the north.

Apparently you have Chicago confused with Cincinnati. Maplethorp would find the same audience here that he would find anywhere: deviants, freaks and the willingly outraged. It would be like any other freak show here and there are plenty on display at the Museum of Contemporary Crap. But the culture I refer to is the Art Institute, the Oriental Institute, Field Museum, Museum of Science and Industry, the Aquarium, the Planetarium, great universities and liberaries. No city can top Chicago for great, inexpensive food even in the neighborhoods and for those who like such things wildly expensive, world class restraunts. Plus, it has the cheapest booze in the world even after the taxes. The music scene is the best: the greatest orchestra in the world, a free concert series in the park in the summer with another top notch ensemble, the hottest Blues circuit in the country, recitals by world class artists, the Lyric Opera. The biggest problem is eliminating all the things you would like to do. Every night has dozens of possibilities.

I don't share your hatred of police and would not want them to be unarmed. Chicago ain't London. But like most places the police are not opposed to the people being armed just their political leaders. Most ordinary cops are like my neighbor just a nice young guy raising a family and trying to keep the desperados under control.

[from occupied ga]

I don't share your hatred of police

Say intense distrust rather than hatred.

the police are not opposed to the people being armed ... Most ordinary cops are like my neighbor just a nice young guy raising a family and trying to keep the desperados under control.

I used to think this too, but then I never read about any cases where the ordinary cops refused to take part in any gun confiscation raids. If this were the case you'd think that they would.

But the culture I refer to is the Art Institute, the Oriental Institute, Field Museum, Museum of Science and Industry, the Aquarium, the Planetarium,

Like I said circuses

. No city can top Chicago for great, inexpensive food even in the neighborhoods and for those who like such things wildly expensive, world class restraunts

I have a low opinion of New York City because of what they elect, but I have to say NYC would beat Chicago on this score.

Plus, it has the cheapest booze in the world even after the taxes

I assume this is just hyperbole. Never been the US Virgin Islands have you? Cheap booze isn't anything that I care about, but what the hell anything that is cheap is a good thing. It doesn't matter anyway. You obviously like where you live and this is good, but creeps like Daley, and Blojerkovbitch (and let's not forget Carol Mosley Braun while we're at it) belong in the ground with all of the failed tyrants of history, not in charge of some major government.

Further, government should be doing its best to preserve your freedom, not finding new ways to disarm you.

[justshutupandtakeit]

There are few gun-confiscation raids around here no matter what you are led to believe.

Apparently you are not aware of what "culture" consists of if you confuse it with a tiny portion of culture such as circuses. When the Romans used Bread and Circuses to pacify the lower classes, unemployed, urban proletariat they were employed to distract the lowest of the low. This is entirely different from the audiences at the institutions I listed. Morons are not interested in anything which could actually enlighten them.

New York City restraunts cannot compete in price with Chicago's. I specifically mentioned inexpensive for a purpose. True, NYC has more and maybe some better but not pricewise.

Should have said "in the country" not world. Though, like you, I don't consume that much of it that it matters much.

My voting life has been one of great frustration living in this area but the rest of the experience compensates for it.