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Hey Women Take That. Ha Ha Ha ...giddy about restricting women's rights
SF Chronicle ^ | Mark Morford

Posted on 01/24/2003 8:47:26 AM PST by hoolin

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:41:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: hoolin
It's odd that Morford doesn't mention the abortion-breast cancer controversy:

Study: Tell women about abortion-breast cancer link

Or perhaps Mr. Morford isn't really concerned about the facts, just in verbal bullying.

Once upon a time, men used to consider their women property, in the same way that women consider their fetuses property.

There's something to think about.

21 posted on 01/24/2003 9:54:38 AM PST by an amused spectator
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To: hoolin
Here's my letter to the editor:

Dear Mr. Morford:

Your op-ed piece is probably one of the funniest I've seen in a while. Who needs to parody leftists when one can cut and paste?

I'm not sure you've ever thought about the other side of the abortion coin. Sometimes religious people DO try and curb activities that they see as 'sinful', such as unmarried sex or homosexuals, that don't really hurt anyone else. But with abortion, someone else IS hurt, actually killed. That someone might be just a fetus that's nothing more than a glob of gloop, but that fetus can someday grow up to be a a yoga teacher and fiction writer and an outstanding parallel parker and fervent wine devotee and former smoker and former LA rock-god wannabe and careful insinuator and occasional unfair mudslinger.... you get the point.

The fetus will never be able to do these things if he (or she) isn't given the choice.

22 posted on 01/24/2003 9:55:10 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: All

No Morford post is complete without her pretty face.

23 posted on 01/24/2003 9:58:39 AM PST by dighton
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To: ARCADIA
Your thinking is out of date. The old-line GOP keeps insisting GOP support for abortion is crucial, otherwise we'll lose the electorate - especially womens votes. It's not happening that way.

We just had an election cycle when "hard line" pro-life GOP candidates trounced "Emily's list." Opinion polls are showing a shift in the public attitude, with abortion restrictions becoming the majority opinion.

Back alleys and coat-hangers had great effect when people were talking about an unseen "cellular mass." Now we have sophisticated pre-natal imaging, technology to keep children alive when delivered earlier and earlier, and surgery upon children still in the womb. The pro-life position is winning the image war against the pro-aborts, and all the indicators point to a continuation of the same.

It's time for the pro-aborts in the GOP to find another argument than practical politics, because it's becoming clear the pro-abortion position is becoming a liability rather than an asset.

24 posted on 01/24/2003 10:01:03 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: ARCADIA
We all hope to make things better; but, we should act from reason, rather than a knee-jerk emotion.

It's hard to act from reason when certain of the relevant facts are being deliberately surpressed. See my previous post.

I'm for a full and open discussion of the issue, not verbal diatribes from known liars like Morford and The New York Times.

25 posted on 01/24/2003 10:01:32 AM PST by an amused spectator
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To: Snuffington
We shouldn't forget that classic pre-Roe technology, the airplane. This is where those that better off simply take a short vacation to Europe, or drive to Mexico/Canada, to take care of life's little inconveniences.

How would we control that?
26 posted on 01/24/2003 10:17:32 AM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ARCADIA
Before Roe vs. Wade, the situation you spoke of already existed. How was it dealt with at the time?
27 posted on 01/24/2003 10:30:38 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: Snuffington; MeeknMing; hocndoc; Askel5; Coleus; Polycarp; Bryan; Caleb1411; toenail; BibChr; ...
I've given up addressing the bloviations of societal engineering leftist dead-souls. Instead, allow me to elucidate the slippery slope many faithful people warned of way back in 1973 (and well before, considering when the outrage over in vitro fert was squelched) ... a slope we are now skiing down at an ever increasing pace. If we do not, at this juncture in our national life, accomplish a paradigm shift in the nation's perception regarding individual human life, two very unpleasant leviathans will devour our national goodness.

Exploitation of early nascent life is already a reality. The fetal tissue harvesting industry, with more than a billion dollars in business receipts in 1999, already influences when a woman ought have the abortion she seeks since the later differentiation of tissues makes later rather than earlier killing and harvesting of the fetus more desireable to those who will profit from the killing. But that's just the beginning of the horror, in my honest opinion: 1) embryonic stem cell exploitation now demands the conception and killing of untold numbers of embryos; 2) therapeutic cloning is based on the in vitro fertilization/conception of individual human life, with killing and harvesting as the goal when the embryo has differentiated sufficiently to make specific tissue identification reliable. Both of these 'scientific advances' require our nation to accept the specious notion that an individual human life doesn't begin with at least first cell division (onset of mitosis) AND the wholesale exploitation of human life by conceiving it then killing it for harvesting of body parts. Folks, that is cannibalism by any other name, and the 'abortion as a right of women' with the 'cancelling of individual human right to life for the conceived child' is at the heart of it all.

If our nation does not accomplish a paradigm shift, to hold individual human life as something not to be exploited for 'medical' purposes, the cannibalism of embryonic stem cell harvesting and therapeutic cloning will be our future reality.

One further note: the modern left expects Americans to accept the notion that an embryo IS NOT an individual human life so that science can exploit that human life, BUT this is contradicted by the 'scientist's' own established goal for the human life to be exploited ... the scientist awaits cell division 'in the petri dish' to prove an individual human life has come to exist (an individual defined by its unique DNA that the scientists expects to exploit) else they wouldn't eventually implant the embryo or harvest the cells of that individual life for exploitative purposes! That the scientist seeks to conceive 'designer' individual human life --with therapeutic cloning-- only strengthens the truth that they, of all persons, know they are conceiving an individual human life for exploitation and death.

28 posted on 01/24/2003 11:58:16 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: hoolin
Man has no choice, only the woman has a choice, Man only has an opinion. The woman only has the right.

My mother doesn't beleive in abortions, before the child is born. But she does beleive, (and has often said) that she can and will abort if I don't act right.
29 posted on 01/24/2003 12:20:24 PM PST by stopsign
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To: hoolin; Snuffington; MHGinTN; BibChr; tatterdemalion; frogsong; rhema; The Big Econ
You gotta love liberals. From Clinton on down, they're the quintessential People Who Think With Their Glands. It's an exercise in futility to rebut their sad excuses for arguments, but I can't resist a few rejoinders.

If abortion is so sad and tragic [No woman anywhere in the entire world who accidentally and/or tragically and/or violently and/or sadly became pregnant and did not intend to, wants to suffer this, ever. No woman, by way of either mistake or unsafe sex or bad condoms or neglected birth control or immaculate conception or rampant misinformation or overly aggressive ignorant males, ever wants this done to her. ], why are roughly 50 percent of abortions repeat abortions? If one instance of this heart-rending "choice" is so cataclysmic, why do women routinely have second, third, fourth, and fifth abortions? How many cataclysms does it take to awaken one's moral sensibilities?

Morford -- either through invincible ignorance or calculating disingenuousness -- gets the pro-life premise wrong, too. [It is not yours, not mine, not your God's, not Dubya's, not a lawyer's, not an old misogynist Republican senator's (hello, Sen. Brownback), not those who choose to interpret a barely formed fetus as a viable "life,". . .] No, it's a human life, one which every reputable scientist and doctor recognizes as uniquely human from the moment of conception.

The rest of this smarmy column is riddled with similarly, egregiously solipsistic "reasoning" [. . .some new legislation that would further limit what a woman can and can't do with her own body once she becomes pregnant.]. Mercifully, Morford's (and NARAL's and NOW's and Planned Parenthood's, et al.) kind of snotty, self-righteous exculpation continues its ineluctable journey to the barbarian fringe of ethical discourse.

30 posted on 01/24/2003 1:14:16 PM PST by Caleb1411
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