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Deport All Our Illegal Aliens?
Front Page Magazine ^ | 1/24/03 | Stephen Brown

Posted on 01/24/2003 1:06:56 AM PST by hoosierskypilot

There is a quaint fact that tends to be forgotten in discussions of immigration policy: the law is the law. The law says that some persons have a legal right to be in the United States and some do not. This law is not arbitrary: it was made by a legitimate, democratically elected government expressing the will of the American people. Therefore, it is high time to get serious about enforcing it by deporting all of our illegal aliens. Fortunately, this is not as hard as it looks, as we already deport some of them and merely need to apply the same programs to a greater number of people. Politically, it may be hard; logistically, it’s no big deal.

The raw numbers are staggering. The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) estimates there are currently more than eight million illegal aliens living within our borders, with more than a million more expected to be here by the end of 2003. It’s not like the public is unaware of the problem. Successive polling in recent years has consistently shown a clear – and thus far unanswered – mandate from the American electorate for its elected officials to faithfully enforce the laws they are sworn to uphold by removing the swelling illegal population. But key constituencies inside the governing class – principally the cheap labor lobby on the Republican side and the ethnic lobbies on the Democratic side – have successfully frustrated American democracy and the rule of law on this point.

Under pressure and in fits and starts, the federal government has been making token gestures of deportation, which prove that something could be done if the political decision were ever made to get serious. Between 1995 and 1998, funding for removing illegal aliens more than doubled, resulting in a rise in deportations from 50,400 to 171,000. Early INS estimates for Fiscal 2002 deportations come in at 147,345.

But with a pool of eight million potential deportees, appreciable progress will only be achieved through a general deportation policy, i.e., the principle that every person whose illegal status becomes known gets deported. The key thing to understand is that this would not require, as opponents would have us believe, some kind of fascistic police state out of a B-grade movie. All it would require is that well-established, existing programs for deportation operate on greater numbers of people.

Fundamentally, the politics of deportation may be heated, but actual deportation is quite boring.

It’s not as though it hasn’t been done before. In 1954, during the Eisenhower Administration, INS Commissioner Gen. Joseph May Swing instituted a mass search-and-removal operation targeting illegal aliens from Mexico scattered throughout the Southwest and Midwest. It coordinated the efforts of the U.S. Border Patrol, municipal, county, state and local police forces, along with the military. The coordinated and strategic use of resources and manpower soon produced positive results. In Texas, the nation’s second-largest state, the government needed only around 700 men to do the job, netting approximately 4,800 deportees on its first day and 1,100 daily thereafter. Deportees were shipped back to Mexico via rail and ship, often deep into the interior of the country to discourage recidivism. When funding for the initiative ran out that fall, the INS claimed some 2.1 million removals, including those who voluntarily returned to Mexico before and during the operation. Following the 1954 effort, illegal immigration dwindled until the mid-1960s.

This is the real benefit of deportation: it discourages illegal immigration in the first place, reducing both the enforcement burden and the social problems that immigration causes. Once would-be immigration criminals realize they will only be deported, their numbers drop within a range that can easily be contained. Ironically enough, this means that a laxer immigration policy, not a stricter one, requires more manpower to enforce the tatters of law that remain, and costs more money to run. Once would-be illegals get the message, there will be a lot fewer of them.

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To: FITZ
how can you get them without federal agents coming uninvited onto private property looking for them?

I don't support a guest worker program because the questions I asked & many others cannot/will not be answered. You don't have to go door to door to round them all up & deport them. The government has to eliminate the incentives for illegals to come here. Stop access to social programs, stop anchor babies & extended family immigration, stop free medical care, stop free education, and impose severe penalties on employers who knowingly hire illegals.

The Feds should withhold funds from states that accept the Mexican ID, that have law enforcement agencies with policies that allow illegals to be released, and LEA's that do not coordinate w/ the INS to deport illegals.

The Feds should revoke FDIC standing to any financial institution that takes the Mexican ID.

These policies in conjunction with increasing the number of border patrol agents would be a good start in eliminating the desire to cross the border illegally.

21 posted on 01/24/2003 2:01:59 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: sarcasm
Two examples who I personally know:

A couple from Chihuahua who came up on a visitor visa at 15 years of age --about 2 years ago, came to "visit" an aunt and the girl gave birth at the county hospital to a US citizen, they collect welfare benefits, food stamps, WIC. Neither parent --17 now speaks English or has yet worked a day in their life ---nor intends to. Technically they are legal since they are parents of a US citizen. They'd be easy to deport since they're accessing programs right and left but the problem is that US citizen baby that qualifies them to stay even though it's unlikely they'll ever be self-sufficient.

Guy in his 30's, family in Mexico --no visa. Works various jobs for cash, lives quietly on someone's private property, doesn't access any government services and pays cash (or one of his employers does) if he sees a doctor or dentist, doesn't cross the border often to avoid detection. Wouldn't be so easy to deport just because agents would almost have to invade private property to drag him off.

I'd rather get those who are technically legal but acessing taxpayer money right and left.
22 posted on 01/24/2003 2:03:32 AM PST by FITZ
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To: gubamyster
Stop access to social programs, stop anchor babies & extended family immigration, stop free medical care, stop free education, and impose severe penalties on employers who knowingly hire illegals.

I agree with all that. I just wouldn't like to see door-to-door searches with agents entering my home looking for illegals who aren't here.

23 posted on 01/24/2003 2:05:02 AM PST by FITZ
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To: hoosierskypilot
ILLEGAL Aliens
24 posted on 01/24/2003 2:05:51 AM PST by Cindy
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To: FITZ
I also think that needs to be done ---eliminate the advantage they have because they can bring in families and have taxpayers pay the full cost so are able to work for much less than an American can. They also need to start paying taxes on their income just like Americans must do --and that also will eliminate much of their advantage.

Then why create a huge government bureaucratic guest worker program? It is not that we need the guest workers (or illegals) it is just that they depress the wages below the market rate. There are plenty of people who will do the jobs – when the wage becomes attractive enough. When employers have to pay the legal rate to guest workers, there will be no need for the guest workers, because at this rate Americans will be willing to take the jobs.

25 posted on 01/24/2003 2:10:33 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: FITZ
Eventually the guy in his 30's becomes a guy in his 60's - at that point he will be nearly impossible to deport because of the time element - see protection under color of law.
26 posted on 01/24/2003 2:15:25 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: gubamyster
I know there is no guest worker program needed in the area I'm in because there is very high unemployment (but very high illegal immigration anyhow). I don't know if others areas need one or not ---probably not ---I'd have to agree. I had read that even Tancredo supported some kind of guest worker program so I haven't ruled it out. My biggest concern is the use of the many welfare programs by legals and illegals ---which we see a lot of here. I also don't want to allow road blocks and home searches which I think would be needed to get 100% of the illegals out ---I'd be content with them getting out the 90% or more who are mooching off the system in some way.
27 posted on 01/24/2003 2:20:51 AM PST by FITZ
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To: sarcasm
I know ---but the priorities I think should be with reforming the entire immigration so legal moochers quit being allowed in. The 15 year olds who came and stayed technically never have been illegals since they immediately had a baby and they are taking taxpayer money, I know their lifestyle since they life near me ---they lay around watching novelas all day and really don't intend to work. They've got it made since they can keep bringing US citizens into the world that allows them to collect many welfare programs -----I'd rather see them deported than the guy that works for every dime he intends to get.
28 posted on 01/24/2003 2:24:15 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
I'd be content with them getting out the 90% or more who are mooching off the system in some way.

I'd be content w/ hitting the lottery tomorrow night!

We're both dreaming!

29 posted on 01/24/2003 2:27:00 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: FITZ
Eventually the guy who now pays for everything that he gets becomes old and sick - that's when the big costs start. This is also a guy who probably has paid nothing except sales tax.
30 posted on 01/24/2003 2:29:53 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
True ----but at the same time many are bringing in their elderly now who never will work or contribute in any way ---to get your elderly relatives in legally and on SSI plus Medicaid, you only need to find some legal relative who is at 125% of federal poverty level to "sponsor" them. The sponsor's income is considered with the immigrants when qualifying them for SSI and Medicaid ----the sponsors don't ever have to actually pay for their immigrant, the taxpayers will. The other family members of course can be very wealthy and never pay either. We're seeing high numbers of elderly being brought in this way ---and it's all completely legal.
31 posted on 01/24/2003 2:36:41 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
True - the entire immigration system needs to be reformed. My first proposal would be an age limit on immigrants unless they can prove that they will not be a burden on the system. I would think that most anyone who arrives after age 35 or so will turn out to be a net taker from the taxpayers.
32 posted on 01/24/2003 2:56:23 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: hoosierskypilot
Thanks for an excellent article.

One of the first to clearly outline the solution ... DEPORT the criminal Illegals.

33 posted on 01/24/2003 3:16:18 AM PST by CIBvet
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To: tessalu
Correct. Missing from the article is the fact that once a SERIOUS deportation was begun by Eisenhower, most of the three million who left did so voluntarily. They saw the U.S. government was serious and they didn't want to be grabbed and sent hundreds of miles into Mexico as the U.S. government was doing at the time.

The day a real round-up begins, many illegals will deport themselves.

I work beside illegals every day. They are taking the jobs of Americans. I know Americans not working whose skilled jobs have been taken by illegals. It is not true these illegals are doing jobs Americans won't do. They are being hired in lieu of Americans. It's a powder keg and is going to blow up.

34 posted on 01/24/2003 3:48:41 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: hoosierskypilot
YES.

35 posted on 01/24/2003 3:59:51 AM PST by dogbrain (...maybe "shield" isn't quite the correct word for them.....)
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To: hoosierskypilot
Problem is so many farmers and businesses won't come on board. Major farms and major businesses that have more pull in Washington than a majority of the electorate. Illegals aren't bothered in San Diego until the nfl's interests are threatened.
36 posted on 01/24/2003 4:07:48 AM PST by RWG
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To: FITZ
"....we should deport all those committing felony fraud by using stolen Social Security numbers and other documents."

Spot on Fitz!!!

While we're at it close every Mexican consulate in America issuing ID's to criminal trespassers, AND send to prison traitors like RAT minority leader Polisi who assumed executive authority by arm twisting fed agencies in San Francisco to accept these foreign government issued ID's as valid for getting services ( say tax dollars )intended to assist American Citizens, and foreign nationals who are here legally.

37 posted on 01/24/2003 4:17:28 AM PST by Robert Drobot
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To: FITZ
Inknow a guy at work got a girl from Peru pregnant. Married her and raises the baby as a family. He went to an immigration lawyer and was told if she applies for citizenship, she will be deported and will have to do it from Peru. The baby gets to stay, but she would have to go.

It makes the situation you describe all that more despicable. One is trying to make things right and is threatened with deportation and the break up of a family.

The other are just low-life leeches that are not threatened. Just allowed to live here sucking the blood of the American people.

38 posted on 01/24/2003 4:18:56 AM PST by raybbr
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To: FITZ
Invaders have no civil or legal rights under the Constitution.
39 posted on 01/24/2003 6:04:56 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: AntiGuv
Good idea. I'm all for deporting every single one of them. Let's start now.
40 posted on 01/24/2003 6:22:57 AM PST by Dante3
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