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Dennis Miller on Abortion
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Posted on 01/22/2003 8:00:21 AM PST by no other way out

Now I don't want to get off on a rant here, because basically tonight's topic is a minefield - Abortion. I couldn't be anymore on tiptoes if the show was being produced by George Balanchine. This is the Big Debate, and I'm talking bigger than who was the better Darren on Bewitched. Abortion is our nation's "Final Jeopardy," and I'll wager, Alex, that if our nation fights another Civil War, it will be about this. And I would remind you that this all from my perspective, the male perspective, a one-step-removed perspective, because I will obviously never have to decide on whether or not I should have an abortion. And by the way, my belief is that if men were the ones getting pregnant, abortions would be easier to get than food poisoning in Moscow. Having men decide the fate of a woman's reproductive system makes about as much sense as asking Quentin Crisp to coach the Raiders. All right, enough qualifying, let's get on with it. There's no doubt that passions run high on both sides, and this issue has created a divide in this country not seen since Carly Simon last yawned in public. The prevailing opinions on a woman's freedom to choose are going further to the right than a Greg Norman tee shot.

Pro-life activists attempt to paint anyone pro-choice as having no morals. On the other side of the ledger, pro-choicers are tagging pro-lifers as crazed and backward bible-thumpers bent on running the lives of the people who disagree with them. The truth, as always, is, the case of human endeavors lies somewhere in between. As much as the advance scouts on either side of this issue might not want to admit it, good people do get abortions and other good people are pained by their decision to get one.

Where do I stand? Well, I'm like most of you, I presume, I think there are far too many abortions performed in this country. And I also believe that at the end of the day, as much as I might disapprove, none of them are really any of my business. Look, there are always going to be arguments on this issue. The debate will rage until the end of time no matter what the whim of the Papal infallibility or the politics of the decade. But the simple truth is, that such a passionate and personal decision dictates that the choice be left to the individual. And you know, that's really all we can do, because we're just human beings, stumbling around in the dark, trying to get to the bathroom and kicking the shit out of our shins on the way there.

Now there's some things all right-minded human beings should agree on. We should all agree that abortions should be legal in the case of rape, incest and when the mother's life is at risk -- that's just common sense. But excluding that obvious assumption, everything else in the abortion arena is "in play." There are many quagmires complicating this issue. Religion. Now it seems that religion is most often the backboard for every bank shot put up by someone making it their business to get into your business. Roman Catholic doctrine forbids abortion. Fine. Take that into consideration when you make your decision. Right-to-life proponents contend that abortion is immoral. Fine. Take that into consideration when you make your decision. Another pothole on the road to a sensible resolution to abortion is "when does life begin?" At conception? When a heartbeat is detected? At the first drawn breath? You know, for me it wasn't until last Tuesday. Until then I was just a sperm with an accountant! Okay, so those are the variables, and there are obviously millions more variables that make each individual case unique. But the more you think about it, and the more it makes your head spin, and the more confused you get trying to figure out someone else's life for them, it becomes increasingly apparent that it has to be the call of the individual who is pregnant, because the collective, one way or another, won't have to suffer the consequences of that most personal of all decisions.

My fellow Americans, it is time to suck it up. Look deep into your immortal soul (if you believe you have one) and do the right thing. Have the courage and strength to live your own life, by your own standards, and stop trying to call the shots for everyone else. We all live with glaring inconsistencies, and sometimes, when you see something going on right in front of you that offends you to the very core of your being, sometimes the best thing you can do is walk away, because you know that's exactly what you would want them to do for you. There's only one judge on all this and that's God. And you don't get to meet him until you go backstage after the play is over. And believe me, you do not want to get a "thumbs down" from the guy who created thumbs, all right? In the interim, everybody has got to tend their own garden vis-a-vis abortion. And remember, when it comes to your body, only you wear the robes, and only you carry the gavel.

Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.


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To: no other way out
No matter how you slice it still comes down to the death of your own flesh and blood by your own hands, putting you in the same class as a common murderer.
281 posted on 01/22/2003 9:18:36 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: no other way out
45 million bump
282 posted on 01/22/2003 11:51:47 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Deb
The abortion argument will never be resolved because it's a fake argument. The spoken text is abortion; the hidden subtext is sex. Abortion is legal in America because Americans want sex without consequences.

That ancient desire became public in the mid-60's; it took less than a decade to change the law to facilitate the culture. The law is the text; the subtext is the sick culture.

The mind builds arguments to sanctify whatever the heart wants; the law sanctifies whatever the aggregate heart wants.

Abortion apologists don't actually care if it's a baby or not. They join that argument because it occupies the enemy. They care about the joy of a spontaneous screw.

You may be right, though, that seeing the baby can melt the mother's heart. My son flipped in the womb and pushed his face up toward the ultrasound screen. It looked like he was pressing his nose against a window, peering out at us from a dark room, saying "Hi! I belong to you!" After that moment, we were mush.

Maybe 3-D and color pictures will penetrate the want of the heart. Logic won't.

283 posted on 01/23/2003 6:29:20 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: tpaine
And when the Court issues its Brown to its previous Plessy, you will abide by it? You won't complain?

Depends. If the court supports gun control, you can bet I will.

Oh, I see. So you want us to bow down and abide by the official pronouncement of the Supreme Court about when "life" begins and when it can be protected by the state. But if you happen to disagree with the Court on some issue, you won't do any bowing.

There's a word for that.

SD

284 posted on 01/23/2003 7:21:56 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: tpaine
The exact point at which the embryos life, and rights, should be protected by the state is a 'moral' question, imo, which the USSC has wisely left up to state law & the people, - with the arbitrary setting of this moral point at the 2nd trimester. LOL. What earth have you been living on where the states have any say in abortion law? Anything a state does in this area is appealed to the Court, which seems to find the area available for state restriction narrower and narrower.

SD

285 posted on 01/23/2003 7:28:34 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: tpaine
It seems I've 'lost you' at every point I made. Perhaps I'll take your suggestion and avoid further futile discussions, -- with you.

Nice way to try to avoid debate. Can't stand the heat so you have to get out of the kitchen?

I'll try one more time:

You said, "We recognise the 'right to life' of a potential person, imo, -- not that of a fertilized egg/embryo, still inseperable from the life of its mother."

I say: A "potential person" has a "right to life", but a "fertilized egg/embryo" doesn't? What is the difference between the two?

286 posted on 01/23/2003 8:39:16 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: Wordsmith; tpaine
A "potential person" has a "right to life", but a "fertilized egg/embryo" doesn't? What is the difference between the two?

The present position of the secular gov't in which he resides.

A rather sad basis for a person to develop an opinion on a moral issue, but there ya go.

SD

287 posted on 01/23/2003 8:48:14 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; Wordsmith
I've made my points regarding my views of the constitutional issues here.
I've been warned to avoid flame wars, - and thats where this discussion is heading. Take it to the 'backroom', and maybe I can rejoin you.
288 posted on 01/23/2003 9:07:27 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Pres Raygun
I agree. The decision on abortion should lie with the one who is most affected by the abortion, the baby. When are we going to let the babies decide whether or not they want to live?

Brilliant post.

289 posted on 01/23/2003 9:12:55 AM PST by A2J (If all else fails, blame it on someone else.)
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To: Taliesan
You're totally right (and so deep).
290 posted on 01/23/2003 12:45:00 PM PST by Deb
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To: thisiskubrick
RU pills are designed to murder a little man or woman.
291 posted on 01/23/2003 10:59:17 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: mason123
"George Bush believes that Saddam Huessein is a threat to America and the American way of life. He has therefore decided that it is alright to kill Saddam (and a lot of other Iraqis in the process). Most FReepers support George Bush.

A woman has decided that the fetus she is carrying is a threat to herself and her way of life. She has therefore decided it is alright to kill that fetus (and not harm anyone else in the process). Most FReepers do not support the woman.

Please explain why one is morally justified and the other is not."


Because, in your 'example', Bush is right and this woman is wrong. You do still have a compass pointing out right and wrong to you, don't you?
292 posted on 01/23/2003 11:07:14 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
Actually, Miller has been pro-death penalty for some time. I heard him on Tom Snyder's show in 96 and he disparaged the do-gooder liberals who opposed the death penalty for the man who kidnapped and murdered Polly Klass. He also said, even back then, that he was "leaning towards" voting for Dole. He really didn't like Clinton much (in fact in 92 he voted for Perot). But I think he has moved more to the right (or center) since then.
293 posted on 07/22/2003 1:21:28 PM PDT by Orthodexican
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To: no other way out
The truth, as always, is, the case of human endeavors lies somewhere in between.

It's not the truth, it's the values. Everyone knows the truth: abortion takes a human life. It's whether you value someone's right to privacy so highly that they have a right to kill a little baby.

Andrea Yates killed her five children in the privacy of the bathtub in the bathroom of her own home. Susan Smith killed her two sons in the privacy of the backseat of her car. Saddam Hussein killed thousands of innocent citizens in the privacy of his own country.

We know where liberals stand on privacy versus someone else's life.

294 posted on 07/22/2003 1:32:38 PM PDT by JoeSchem (Okay, now it works: Knight's Quest, at http://www.geocities.com/engineerzero)
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