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Verizon Is Ordered to Give Name of User in Music Dispute
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Tuesday, January 21, 2003 | ANNA WILDE MATHEWS

Posted on 01/21/2003 11:51:47 AM PST by TroutStalker

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:47:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

In a victory for entertainment companies that are seeking to defend their works against digital copying, a federal judge ordered Verizon Communications Inc. to turn over the name of an Internet subscriber who allegedly made songs broadly available online.

The decision from the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., concerned a subpoena that record-label members of the Recording Industry Association of America had sent to Verizon's Internet unit, demanding that it turn over the name of a subscriber who was allegedly distributing hundreds of songs online. In a written opinion, Judge John D. Bates said that he granted the "RIAA's motion to enforce, and orders Verizon to comply with the properly issued and supported subpoena from RIAA seeking the identity of the alleged infringer."


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To: Drumbo
I believe it is wrong to speed and it's unethical to steal; no matter how many others are speeding or stealing - at this moment, previously or in the future - whether the Emperor has clothes or not.

Listen Mr. Roark, RIAA has a broken and dysfunctional distribution system, and they need to fix it.

If they'd bought Napster, put the 20,000 Best Songs Of All Time on it, and charged a buck-a-song, I'd have bought an account.

Heck, they could even have developed a crypto signed MP3 player/CD writer to allow me to listen to the music and burn my own CDs.

But they have a distribution system to protect, and they are stupid.

It's that simple.

61 posted on 01/21/2003 7:24:00 PM PST by angkor
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To: Drumbo
I too suspect that there is more going on than "stealing". This kind of "stealing" has been around for almost 50 years, even since home recorders became available, but only now has it become known as "stealing". Take a ride on a city bus that passes by a college with a music program and watch the students sitting next to you on the bus "stealing" sheet music by copying "intellectual property" with a pencil onto their own blank music paper. Heck, that's been going on for centuries.

Do wedding bands or street musicians pay royalties to Michael Jackson's publishing firm ATV Music every time they play Hey Jude? Why do we tolerate that, I ask? Because the society allows us all certain latitude when observing conventions and mores. Now, I'm alarmed as anyone at the latitude allowed stop sign and red light runners nowadays and that's where I personally draw the line, but my take on the issue at hand is simply that the changes in technology are bringing about permanent changes in attitudes about the value of intellectual property.

62 posted on 01/21/2003 7:39:41 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Someone left the cake out in the rain I dont think that I can take it coz it took so long to bake it)
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To: Shanty Shaker
But the home games, which were the point of the dispute, are still blacked out if they aren't sold out. The NFL decided not to show local games at any price if there are unsold seats. Bars can't buy local blacked out games at any price, but they don't pirate those games because of the previous legal action.

Capitalism also means having the right not to provide you product to any medium you don't want to use.

I don't agree with the notion that the recording industry is somehow obligated to provide online access to their property as some sort of "consumer right". The fact that CFs are expensive or the recording execs are "gangstas" doesn't justify trampling their rights.
63 posted on 01/21/2003 7:39:57 PM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: SamAdams76
Remember when VCR tapes sold for $90 for one movie?

Sure do. And I remember in the early 80's that blank VCR tapes sold for an astonishing $10 a tape.

64 posted on 01/21/2003 7:45:59 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: TroutStalker
When Moses came down from Mt. Sinai with tablets in his hands, Disney had not yet purchased any Copyright laws. At that time, "thou shalt not steal" meant that if you took a loaf of bread from me, I had one less loaf. Nowadays, if i copy music, all that's denied coke-sniffing record executives is an increment of scarcity.

When Napster was going great guns, I bought more CDs than I ever had in my life. Nowadays, I don't like doing business with people who sell gangsta rap and call their customers theives.

65 posted on 01/21/2003 7:50:16 PM PST by technoCon (Thou Shalt Not Steal applies here? i'm not sure)
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To: Nick Danger
Perhaps stealing intellectual properties is just part of the youthful exuberance that goes away when responsibilities arrive.

As a former pro musician, I go to music boards as well as Free Republic, music was a much larger part of my life than politics. 85% to 90% of the kids who are actually playing music as well as listening to it simply take KaZaA for granted. An article like this one would shock them - they've never considered the legality - it's on the Internet and it's free so it must be okay. I can talk with them all day about Mike Portnoy or Johnny Rabb, but if I were to post this article it would be ignored. It's "too hard" to read and understand all these concepts. One or two might ask why the ISP did this, or why there's a hassle in the first place - but, they are not politically savy - and would not follow the conversation we are having now.

Our kids are busy being kids - and Internet downloading has become a part of their lives and the reason is not criminal intent - it's part of being a kid. It got that way because parents either approve or don't care or don't know.

The music business has been selling drugs-as-recreation for as long as I've been around. If the culture of doing illegal drugs paved the way for doing illegal music copying, then Karma Man is laughing his head off.

Some of the musicians have been selling drugs forever - and the business is guilty by association. The record companies are as oblivious to the content on artist's CD's as parents are of the content of their kids hard drive.

No matter what it is, you can't treat as the customers as The Enemy and expect to survive in business. They need to lose the lawyers, and find another way.

The fact is, when you are downloading it from the Internet, you are not a customer, you are an intruder, or at least and accomplice. If this individual in the article with hundreds of songs posted on the Internet is underage, Mom and Dad are in for an education. Much more likely, this individual is operating for profit to pay the storage and bandwidth bills - he's making a profit on the copyrighted intellectual property of others: a crime. For the past year, I keep seeing people at FreeRepublic defending that as a legit operation to "put-it-to" the big companies and I just wonder where it comes from.

The Lawyers are the last resort. It took years, but, Napster is history. The stealing can stop voluntarily, or the lawyers can eventually make them stop - what other recourse is there? Sell CD's for $5 each? The market sets the price - and as long as someone pays the $20, there will never be a $5.00 CD. If you run a gas station and folks think you overcharge (along with every other station in town), do they have the right to steal from you? Or maybe you should sell product at 50% under cost so people will like you - and stop stealing - how long will that last?

If you speed, you may get caught. For the past five or more years - up until now, if you downloaded music it was simply free music. There appears to be a new sheriff in town Nick.

66 posted on 01/21/2003 8:14:00 PM PST by Drumbo ("Of course I have an attitude, I spent my life beating things for a living" - Drumbo Thunder)
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To: Drumbo
"I generally drive the posted limit

So YOU'RE the knucklehead in the left lane !

But seriously, file sharing isn't costing record companies as much as they think. Many of the songs DLed are hits from 20 or more years ago that would be almost impossible to find in a record store. They might sell a few more through online outlets like CDNow but not many. It's just not that important to many people.

However, the press from this fight IS hurting the company's image with todays active buyers. As with the 55 law (and I remember when that started - it added 10 minutes on to my drive to campus), which changed the public's perception of law enforcement and lead to the CB craze, it is changing the image of record companies from hip to money grubbing coporate stiffs.

67 posted on 01/21/2003 9:34:42 PM PST by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Drumbo
The fact is, when you are downloading it from the Internet, you are not a customer, you are an intruder

It's the same people, though. Those kids who "take KaZaA for granted" are the same ones who plunk down the money. If it were a store, you would not want each paying customer to walk out the door with a second item stuffed in their pants; but if in your zeal to stop that you think you can strip-search your customers, follow them home, and go through their closets, you won't have a store for very long.

If kids would be baffled by Free Republic threads, just wait 'til they get a taste of lawyering.

I don't believe they can. This stuff crosses international borders at the speed of light. It can be disguised, encrypted, hidden in pictures -- the Gnutella Boys are just get started messing with RIAA's head. Police states around the world cannot stop the Internet. Lawyers are not going to do it either. Lawyering is simply the wrong approach to this problem. If you can find large-scale operators making a buck, sure -- sue them. But when they get to suing the parents of 12-year-olds on a daily basis, the Hammer Of Thor will come down on them. Laws are ultimately written by politicians.

68 posted on 01/21/2003 9:49:33 PM PST by Nick Danger (I'm an Iraqi tag. Don't tell Hans Blix where I am.)
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To: TroutStalker; Chancellor Palpatine; Bella_Bru
Pox on the RIAA ping.
69 posted on 01/22/2003 7:14:48 AM PST by weikel
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Bump
70 posted on 01/22/2003 7:18:49 AM PST by weikel
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To: Nick Danger
I don't propose answers to these things. I only know that when I was a kid, laws were laws, and people obeyed them. And then came the 55 mph speed limit. And a whole nation learned to be criminal; to think of police as the enemy; to consider "getting away with it" a good thing. That may have been the most destructive law ever passed in the United States. It taught people that the Emperor had no clothes. Things have not been the same since.

Hear, hear! Taxes are in the same mold.

71 posted on 01/22/2003 7:30:35 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Drumbo
"Some of the musicians have been selling drugs forever - and the business is guilty by association."
So then DRUMBO... you are of the opinion that Geffen is not a user? "The little faggot has his own jet airplane, the little faggot is a millionaire" wouldn't apply to any of rmost of his social circle members. ....roflmao... it's those dirty musicians, not the execs? ... naive or dishonest. the recording industry has been dirty ever since they were caught running the now forgotten but then famous "Payola Scandal" with radio stations and the top forty lists back in the late fifties and early sixties. These are the same old dirty, corrupt, clowns; albeit a second generation... that set up that monopolistic and illegal scheme to control the sale, distribution and careers of artists... your "blaming the musicians" and "blaming the customers" is pretty transparent to more folks than you realize... and it's laughable.
72 posted on 01/22/2003 11:15:39 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (clintonsgotusbytheballs?)
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