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1 posted on 01/17/2003 2:50:33 PM PST by RCW2001
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2 posted on 01/17/2003 2:52:38 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: RCW2001
Just watch the "Civil Rights Leadership" start demanding that Ms. Rice resign or be an "Uncle Tom".

You see a continuing difference between the Republicans and the RATS. The RATS brook no differing opinions.

3 posted on 01/17/2003 2:52:56 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: RCW2001; Redleg Duke
How long does it take you to find all these article that bash Bush? Do you start looking when you first get up, or do you do it late at night?

Red, don't you think it's funny that the very people who sneeringly say that WE all march in lockstep with Bush are the very ones who LOVE to point out when anybody does disagree with him?

5 posted on 01/17/2003 3:00:54 PM PST by Howlin (It's yet ANOTHER good day to be a Republican!)
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Bit of a disconnect, Ms Rice.
7 posted on 01/17/2003 3:07:01 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture (Racism is wrong, no matter who the government discriminates against)
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To: RCW2001
What Rice said is exactly what the Military now uses. It's not a quota system but they don't send in lilly white recruiters to Harlem or black recruiters to Sand Point Idaho!

They get their numbers other ways and the people have to meet the standards !

9 posted on 01/17/2003 3:10:44 PM PST by Crossbow Eel
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To: RCW2001
As usual, Reuters is trying to exploit a hairline crack to try to divide the Republicans. What Rice says is perfectly reasonable.

Admissions people really can't absolutely rule out race, or sex, or SAT scores, or a reasonable balance between bright students, hard-working students, and athletic students. The problem with Affirmative Action as universities use it is that they go way overboard, to the point where white and Asian applicants are severely disadvantaged.

I have sat on admissions committees and seen it. I've also seen it work against some of my own children applying for college scholarships. If you have a chance to take a bright black student, you should take it. But you should only bend your rules so far, just as you should only bend them so far to take in a star athlete. The problem is that university faculty have lost most of their common sense to the dictates of political correctness.
12 posted on 01/17/2003 3:20:30 PM PST by Cicero
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To: RCW2001
Condoleeza Rice: "I think it is important to maintain an admissions process that uses race as one factor."

President Bush: "You mean that faculty position I hired you away from at Stanford University was filled based on an affirmative action program? You're fired -- We only want the best working here in this administration!"

Senator Byrd: "Good move, Mr. President! I'll find ya someone from West Virginia for her position. Race will not be a factor in my selection -- but I promise you I won't send ya a white n!gger or a black n!gger!"

13 posted on 01/17/2003 3:20:45 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: RCW2001
What a crock. Either people are judged based on their merits or they aren't. Using skin color or ethnic bases to determine who plays or who doesn't is 100% unconstitutional. Powell and Rice, our affirmative action duo...
16 posted on 01/17/2003 3:25:40 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Who wouldn't love free gas?)
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To: RCW2001
Compare this article/headling with that from The Washington Post:
National security adviser Condoleezza Rice took a rare central role in a domestic debate within the White House and helped persuade President Bush to publicly condemn race-conscious admissions policies at the University of Michigan, administration officials said yesterday.

21 posted on 01/17/2003 3:37:48 PM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee (const vector<tags>& obsoleteTags)
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To: RCW2001

This is just yer typical Democrat reporter playing "gotcha" with Bush. It wouldn't surprise me if Rice herself lets it be known that this story is not be believed as written.


24 posted on 01/17/2003 3:41:20 PM PST by Nick Danger (Light fuse, step away, do not hold in hand)
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To: RCW2001; MarkM; ApesForEvolution; Nick Danger
This article says the exact opposite of the account given by the Washington Post. See as follows:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3752-2003Jan16.html

Rice Helped Shape Bush Decision on Admissions

By Mike Allen and Charles Lane Washington Post Staff Writers

Friday, January 17, 2003; Page A01

National security adviser Condoleezza Rice took a rare central role in a domestic debate within the White House and helped persuade President Bush to publicly condemn race-conscious admissions policies at the University of Michigan, administration officials said yesterday.

The officials said Rice, in a series of lengthy one-on-one meetings with Bush, drew on her experience as provost at Stanford University to help convince him that favoring minorities was not an effective way of improving diversity on college campuses.

Rice, the first female national security adviser, told Bush that she worked to increase the number of African American faculty members at Stanford but that she was "absolutely opposed to quotas," a senior administration official said. A Stanford official said that under Rice, who served from 1993 to 1999 and was the university's first nonwhite provost, the number of black faculty members increased from 36 to 44.

Officials described Rice as one of the prime movers behind Bush's announcement on Wednesday that he would urge the Supreme Court to strike down Michigan's affirmative action program.

31 posted on 01/17/2003 4:02:41 PM PST by marron
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To: RCW2001
"He is saying the manner in which the University of Michigan, by giving students 20 points on the basis of the color of their skin..."

Anyone with an ounce of fairness in their being could never agree to the University of Michigan's blatant discrimination. Effectively, this school is TAKING 20 POINTS AWAY FROM NON MINORITY STUDENTS!!! Let's call it like it is, folks.

Think about it. The EXACT SAME RESULT is achieved if 20 points is taken AWAY from non minority students. Ask yourself why they pad the minority scores rather than take points away from students who aren't the "right" skin color. I find it shocking and amazing that conservatives haven't banned together to use these facts as talking points!!! It bears repeating by everyone who sees the injustice.
36 posted on 01/17/2003 6:32:53 PM PST by demkicker
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To: RLK
Condoleezza Rice:

"it is appropriate to use race as one factor among others in achieving a diverse student body."

Saying there were circumstances"in which it is necessary to consider race as a factor among many factors"

39 posted on 01/17/2003 7:52:10 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: RCW2001
Last week, Rice's expression gave her the appearance of suffering from intestinal distress. It was probably nothing more than this issue brewing.
42 posted on 01/17/2003 8:45:07 PM PST by Barnacle (Navigating the treacherous waters of a liberal culture.)
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To: RCW2001
The editorial in today's Detroit News, normally a very conservative page:

Bush's Stance on U-M Damages Race Relations

By The Detroit News

Is the Bush administration wrong to oppose the University of Michigan's admissions process?

President George W. Bush's statement this week urging the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn the University of Michigan's affirmative action program is wrong -- wrong in its facts, wrong in its analysis and wrong in the signal it sends about race relations, diversity and equal opportunity.

The president's statement was made as his administration prepared to file a legal argument in a case challenging Michigan's admission process.

The brief is only advisory. But it is seen as an important statement on the issue of affirmative action.

In his remarks denouncing the University of Michigan's program to ensure diversity, the president used the word "quotas" no less than three times and "numerical targets" once. But neither Michigan's law school admissions process nor its undergraduate approach is a quota system. By using the code word "quota," the president was either intentionally deceptive or purposely inflammatory.

Michigan's process of undergraduate admissions involves a complex grid that takes in many factors. African-Americans, Hispanics and Native Americans receive 20 points on this grid. But as the university's president, Mary Sue Coleman, noted this week, 110 points on the grid are based on academics -- and 20 points are also awarded to economically disadvantaged students.

Other points are awarded to outstanding athletes and students from underrepresented parts of the state. The university's goal is to create a diverse student body with different strengths that will reflect the real world that students will encounter when they leave the university. That should be the point of public higher education.

The law school admissions program, also under challenge before the U.S. Supreme Court, doesn't have a grid process but instead looks for a "critical mass" of minority students.

The university's admissions process is little different from programs adopted throughout corporate America, which has realized that a diverse workforce is needed to compete effectively and fairly in a nation of many races, religions and ethnic backgrounds.

Indeed, many of America's largest companies argue that the U-M's approaches are right and necessary, and they have made their points in their own briefs submitted to the court.

The University of Michigan receives many more applications from students who meet the minimum qualifications for admission than it can place. It has to have some rational process to balance its student body. Diversity is an admirable goal, and the university's approaches are legitimate tactics to achieve that goal.

Its admissions process works to help underrepresented minority students -- whose parents and grandparents and ancestors suffered decades of official discrimination that ended less than 40 years ago -- have a shot at one of the nation's best public universities.

Fortunately, this state has many fine public universities in addition to the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor -- from Michigan State to Oakland University to Wayne State to Western Michigan -- to name a few. Qualified students who aren't admitted to U-M at Ann Arbor still have access to a quality publicly funded institution of higher education in this state. So it's not as though U-M's admissions program slams the door on educational opportunity to anyone.

The president made progress for himself and his party when he last month publicly denounced Mississippi GOP Sen. Trent Lott's recent gushing statements about a long-ago segregationist presidential campaign and helped engineer Lott's removal as Senate majority leader.

But his stance on U-M's admission's process is a setback for himself and for his party. If he wants to succeed in attracting people of color to the GOP, he'll have to do better.

And if the U.S. Supreme Court rules against U-M, it will have dealt a blow to all Americans and turned back the clock for many of them.

46 posted on 01/17/2003 9:45:05 PM PST by ItsJeff
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