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Condoleezza Rice Partly at Odds with Bush on Race Case...
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Posted on 01/17/2003 2:50:33 PM PST by RCW2001
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posted on
01/17/2003 2:50:33 PM PST
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RCW2001
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posted on
01/17/2003 2:52:38 PM PST
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To: RCW2001
Just watch the "Civil Rights Leadership" start demanding that Ms. Rice resign or be an "Uncle Tom".
You see a continuing difference between the Republicans and the RATS. The RATS brook no differing opinions.
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posted on
01/17/2003 2:52:56 PM PST
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Redleg Duke
(Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
To: *Reverse Racism; *Dr._Condoleezza_Rice
To: RCW2001; Redleg Duke
How long does it take you to find all these article that bash Bush? Do you start looking when you first get up, or do you do it late at night?
Red, don't you think it's funny that the very people who sneeringly say that WE all march in lockstep with Bush are the very ones who LOVE to point out when anybody does disagree with him?
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posted on
01/17/2003 3:00:54 PM PST
by
Howlin
(It's yet ANOTHER good day to be a Republican!)
To: Redleg Duke
Just watch the "Civil Rights Leadership" start demanding that Ms. Rice resign or be an "Uncle Tom".But what she says in this article imunizes her from this.
In my opinion, Rice pretty much had to say what she did, given her loyalty to the President. If she endorsed pure racially-neutral policies, she would indeed then be target of a high-profile leftist campaign. And then she would take over news slots which should be given to the President's agenda.
To be clear, I do suspect that Rice, not so long ago a Stanford provost, must support some racial admissions preferences. But if she changed her mind, she would never announce it while working for Bush.
Rice: "I believe that while race-neutral means are preferable, it is appropriate to use race as one factor among others in achieving a diverse student body." Later..."And so, I have been a supporter of affirmative action that is not quota-based and that does not seek to make race the only factor but considers race one among many factors."
Bit of a disconnect, Ms Rice.
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posted on
01/17/2003 3:07:01 PM PST
by
CounterCounterCulture
(Racism is wrong, no matter who the government discriminates against)
To: All
I found it at around 5:00 PM ET today but did not post it. Does that count? I liked this part of it as it shows Bush is a real man!
Bush did not mind Rice coming forward with her personal opinion.
"The president welcomes the views of his staff and appreciates her efforts to promote diversity and aggressively reach out to people from all walks of life," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan.
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posted on
01/17/2003 3:10:16 PM PST
by
TLBSHOW
To: RCW2001
What Rice said is exactly what the Military now uses. It's not a quota system but they don't send in lilly white recruiters to Harlem or black recruiters to Sand Point Idaho!
They get their numbers other ways and the people have to meet the standards !
To: Howlin
Hmmm...I don't think this article bashes Bush. In fact, it makes Bush look good, but makes Rice look bad. President Bush is right on this issue; it is Ms. Rice that is wrong.
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posted on
01/17/2003 3:11:21 PM PST
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B Knotts
To: Howlin
Well, Howlin...there be lock-step...an...then there be lock-step.
Ah guess it jest depends on which lock-step you be steppin' wif! :-)
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posted on
01/17/2003 3:11:31 PM PST
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Redleg Duke
(Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
To: RCW2001
As usual, Reuters is trying to exploit a hairline crack to try to divide the Republicans. What Rice says is perfectly reasonable.
Admissions people really can't absolutely rule out race, or sex, or SAT scores, or a reasonable balance between bright students, hard-working students, and athletic students. The problem with Affirmative Action as universities use it is that they go way overboard, to the point where white and Asian applicants are severely disadvantaged.
I have sat on admissions committees and seen it. I've also seen it work against some of my own children applying for college scholarships. If you have a chance to take a bright black student, you should take it. But you should only bend your rules so far, just as you should only bend them so far to take in a star athlete. The problem is that university faculty have lost most of their common sense to the dictates of political correctness.
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posted on
01/17/2003 3:20:30 PM PST
by
Cicero
To: RCW2001
Condoleeza Rice: "I think it is important to maintain an admissions process that uses race as one factor."
President Bush: "You mean that faculty position I hired you away from at Stanford University was filled based on an affirmative action program? You're fired -- We only want the best working here in this administration!"
Senator Byrd: "Good move, Mr. President! I'll find ya someone from West Virginia for her position. Race will not be a factor in my selection -- but I promise you I won't send ya a white n!gger or a black n!gger!"
To: Cicero
I think they should be forbidden from even asking about race. In fact, I think they should have people who accept the application and assign a applicant code number and then pass only the code and relevant information on to the people who decide on admissions, so as to eliminate given name/surname bias.
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posted on
01/17/2003 3:23:43 PM PST
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B Knotts
To: B Knotts
To: Ms Rice
I thought you were a nice person. Now you say its OK to discriminate against people just because they're Asian or white or whatever the politically in-correct skin color happens to be at the moment.
Condi, thats not nice. And its not constitutional. The 14th amendment says, no state shall "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
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posted on
01/17/2003 3:25:10 PM PST
by
MarkM
To: RCW2001
What a crock. Either people are judged based on their merits or they aren't. Using skin color or ethnic bases to determine who plays or who doesn't is 100% unconstitutional. Powell and Rice, our affirmative action duo...
To: Howlin
"Red, don't you think it's funny that the very people who sneeringly say that WE all march in lockstep with Bush are the very ones who LOVE to point out when anybody does disagree with him?"
According to what is supposedly in the brief they agree. Sadly.
To: Cicero
The color of a person's skin nor their ethnicity should be entered into the equation. It's 100% unconstitutional. Everything but the pertinent criterion should be used. Period.
To: B Knotts
Yup, what you said. Beat me to it!
To: CounterCounterCulture
I don't support racial "quotas" of any sort. But do we not have "quotas" right now for sports---X number of slots go to athletes? And of those, X number go to females? And does the music program not have X number of scholarships?
What is the rationale for those scholarships/admission? Is is not that there is some greater "diversity" served by having a community of artists, athletes, etc. on campus rather than just 100% engineers? Or just the 5,000 smartest people based on SATs?
So I suggest that we have had "quotas" in place for years, only haven't called them that.
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posted on
01/17/2003 3:33:19 PM PST
by
LS
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