[VANITY] What can Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator do that Mozilla cannot?

self ^ | 1-17-3 | Petronski

[Petronski]

I just downloaded and installed Mozilla and it seems to be better than the Explorer 5.5 I had been using.

What is the downside to this? It seems to do everything I used explorer for, plus it has killed all unrequested popups, yet permits popups that I request (like tvguide).

Is there something I'm missing here?

[Hermes37]

IMneverHO
It breaks down like this...
Netscape was redesigned from the ground up.
They now base "Netscape" on the "Gecko"(sp?) rendering engine.
Gecko is free and available to create other browsers.
Mozilla is a similar-but-not netscape browser that uses the Gecko rendering engine.
I use Galeon for 'tabbed browsing' and installed Mozilla on my moms MS machine for the same reason.
(and popup/java controll) They all do about the same thing I think it matters what religion you belong to.
Gecko is/was first with tabbed browsing, but MS/IE has mabey had some good ideas too??? (I-B-ignorant about M$)
Find a flavor you like and go for it!!!
Plugins-etc are a 'challenge' but typically work after following the directions.
I have to be honest, I like because of what it is NOT.

[Bush2000]

The aberdeen report is nonsense. Their count for Linux counted the same problem repeatedly when it was present in different distrbutions

Do you have a link/cite which proves this -- or is this your opinion?

... and included application vulnerabilities with OS vulnerabilities (Linux distibutions usually include thousands 0f apps).

Here's the funny thing about Linux folks. You bash Microsoft for security bugs in IIS and other components as "OS vulnerabilities" -- when they are clearly applications bundled with the operating system. Then, when people find vulnerabilities in Apache or WS-FTP or BIND, you claim that they're "applications" and shouldn't have been included in the total. Pot, meet kettle. You can't have it both ways. Either IIS isn't part of the operating system -- or it is. Decide which hypocrisy you prefer -- and then maybe we'll talk.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Thanks. Good info.

[Psycho_Bunny]

Based on that alone, it permits popups that I request, but has been blocking all of the X10 Camera and Color Test and Punch the Monkey ads.

So....it blocks everything except what you allow.

Which is exactly what I described in my instructions for IE. 

Nothing different there.

[Petronski]

Nothing different there.

Nothing? In Mozilla, you check one box and forget it.

Your procedure involves turning off all scripting, then turning scripting back on for 'trusted sites' one at a time. And by the way, if I have turned off all scripting, and visit a site which works better WITH scripting, how would I know?

There is a big difference: the Mozilla solution is elegant, the Microsoft solution is cumbersome and ass-backwards.

[Psycho_Bunny]

Nothing? In Mozilla, you check one box and forget it.

Did you not just get finished saying that Mozilla blocks pop-up scripting except for sites that you allow?

How do you allow them?  When you go there you put them in a "allow" flat file and from then on they're allowed for that site?

Same as IE.

As for the rest of the scripting IE tells you that there's script on the page that's being blocked.  Which is fine because scripting is over-used.  In my surfing I've decided around 90% serves no useful purpose and seems to be written by people who took a Introduction to Java class and thinks that makes them uber |_33t haXorZ.

There's only 4 or 5 sites I can think of, where I find scripting acceptable.

Ironically - though not surprisingly - the worst-scripted site on the entire internet is probably Microsoft.com.

lol.

[Petronski]

"Stop Using Ad-Aware"

Thank you very much for this warning. I have read it and since switched to Spybot Search and Destroy. Very valuable information.

[Petronski]

How do you allow them? When you go there you put them in a "allow" flat file and from then on they're allowed for that site?

Nope, no flat file. I am not sure, but I think the 'set it and forget it' box disables 'LaunchOnOpen' and 'LaunchOnClose' scripts--the kind most often used to run pop-up ads. But other popup scripts, like my favorite example at TVGuide, work fine.

I do not tell Mozilla which sites I trust, I merely tell it that I don't trust 'launch on open' and 'launch on close' popups, and it does the rest. Set it and forget it.

[mhking]

Stick with Mozilla - you aren't losing anything.

[ShadowAce]

When you go there you put them in a "allow" flat file and from then on they're allowed for that site?

No.

What he said was the entire extent of your effort--check one box on your preferences page. That's it. No mas.

Mozilla knows which ones you request by your actions. It blocks all "OnLoad" pop-ups.

[Psycho_Bunny]

Mozilla knows which ones you request by your actions.

?...lolol...What "Actions"?

[ShadowAce]

You've never clicked on a link that opens a separate browser or pop-up? Mozilla understands that "action." It knows what you want and don't want. I get pop-ups all the time when I request them--I never get the advertising, though. It's a very well-implemented feature.

[Psycho_Bunny]

I know...but that's not how it sounded when you said "actions". lol

[Psycho_Bunny]

Actually, I did just find another problem with Mozilla....although it's not completely unique to Mozilla.

On my XP install if you have the OS taskbar on auto-hide, and you use Mozilla "Full-Screen", Mozilla goes into the IE equivalent of kiosk mode, where bringing the mouse to the bottom of the screen won't pop-up the taskbar.

IE sort of has this problem and has had it on all builds since the 6 beta...you have to bounce the mouse on the bottom of the screen a couple times to make it work in Full Screen (although it it won't popup in kiosk mode).

And I still can't figure out how to auto hide the Mozilla toolbars in full screen mode...although people insist you can do it...anyone know how?

[Petronski]

I could see how that would be a problem.

In my case, it is not a concern as I run 98SE and never use full-screen mode. My habit is to open threads in separate windows and manage them with the taskbar.

But hey, everyone has their favorite flavor--which doesn't make one right and another wrong.