Rush Limbaugh says the affirmative action brief still keeps promoting race preference and its bad

Rush Limbaugh ^ | 1/17/2003 | Rush Limbaugh Showi

[TLBSHOW]

Rush Limbaugh says the affirmative action brief is not what the speech said.

Does not even start to put a nail in the coffin of affirmative action and instead keeps promoting race preference. Does not know why Bush keeps doing this? He is not happy and spent the first hafe hour on it and first call had to do with this subject.

[TLBSHOW]

He is getting many calls about it and people want AA stopped!

[Miss Marple]

You know, he could have not filed a brief at all. Where is YOUR understanding of what can be accomplished in one court case?

[krodriguesdc]

BUMP

[TLBSHOW]

I didn't know Ann was on last nights hardball.

[hchutch]

I see. Still, it's a good faith effort - and if it doesn't work, someone can go back and reassess them for an even more merit-based policy down the road. They are improvements over the corrupt quota systems like the University of Michigan's, and should be seen as a step towards a purely color-blind admissions policy.

[krodriguesdc]

I think that brief is full of it!

[Stingray51]

The 10% and 20% things that were set up by George W. and Jeb are based on MERIT - how one did in their high schools. NIETHER program uses race as a criteria.

Yes and no. The policies are facially neutral when it comes to race. But the fact is that the schools are de facto segregated, so that there are many schools which are almost all white and others that are almost all minority. Taking the top x percent from all high schools has the effect of discriminating against students at mostly white schools who do not fall within that top x percent but who, based objectively on their test scores, would easily fall within that percentage if they were at a largely minority, underperforming school. In other words, if you take the very best high schools in Texas and Florida and take a kid who is in the top third and place him in one of the worst high schools, he very likely would be a top performer.

[krodriguesdc]

well that's good you're happy - there are many who are not!

[Wild Irish Rogue]

Rush's accusations that Bush had abandoned the U of Michigan case were bizarre. He unloaded on Bush-but,did not offer any specifics,other than to trash Bush over and over,based on this apparent sentence in the brief (paraphrase)" racial diversity is a goal in college admissions or enrollment". Huh? What's wrong with that goal? That sentence doesn't say anything about affirmative action or racial quotas. Rush offered nothing substantive,no quotes from the brief ,no interviews with lawyers,other than that sentence taken from a liberal reporter's column.Rush could have gotten someone from Justice to further explain the brief,but as of now,the topic of the brief's wording, has been dropped.If Rush truly wanted to discuss the brief,he should have used someone from Justice as his source,rather than the words of a liberal columnist.Rush acted like Bush had personally authored the brief. I trust that Ted Olson did the right thing. Then Rush announced that he is taking 2 weeks and part of a third week off, to go to the Super Bowl and play in 2 golf tournaments.

[philosofy123]

Bush's speech highlighted the notion that a diverse student body is a required ingredient for good college education. That is not true. Good college education has nothing to do with how many females/males/Chinese/Japanese/black/ white/fat/skinny students are in the class!

[aristeides]

As Miss Marple said, Rush is no legal expert.

Rush may not be a legal expert, but doesn't he get legal advice from his brother David and from Mark Levin?

[aristeides]

'78 ruling (forget the parties)

Bakke v. University of California.

[Cyber Liberty]

Hmmm. Should I trust Ted Olson or Rush Limbaugh with the solicitor's job?

[hchutch]

I'll admit the policy is not perfect, but there have been last I checked, no complaints about it either. Now, if what you say might happen occurs, then we go back and re-examine the policy and make changes.

Personally, these policies are an improvement over the blatantly race-based policies, and I'm not going to pass up making that improvment and going back for more later.

[aristeides]

You know, he could have not filed a brief at all.

If what is being said on this thread about the brief that was filed is correct, not filing any brief would probably have been better. Now look for O'Connor, spurred on by this brief, to write a concurrence that repeats the ambiguities of Powell's opinion in Bakke.

[Miss Marple]

Well, here in Indiana, as I am certain occurs in Texas and Florida, we have lots of schools that are allost all-white but are not in the top tiers when it comes to SAT's. Mediocrity, unfortunately, also crosses the color line. You are assuming that all white schools will be superior to the minority schools. That is not necessarily true.

My preference would be to have admission based purely on academic merit. However, with legacies, athletic and music scholarships, foreign students, and celebrity admissions (a la Brooke Shields at Princeton), I don't think that is going to happen.

This policy is at least a step forward towards merit, and it is color blind. Perfect, no, but better than what the University of Michigan is doing.

[ArneFufkin]

Yeah, the one guy we know is going to file a sloppy and ill considered brief is Theodore Olsen.

[Miss Marple]

LOL! Yes, Mr. Olsen turns out such dreck, doesn't he?

Whom would I wish to listen to on Constitutional Law? Ted Olsen...or Rush? Decisions, decisions...

[aristeides]

Does anybody have a link for the briefs yet?

If what is being reported about the briefs on this thread is correct, they are not DOJ's doing. This is somebody at the White House at work issuing orders.

If I understood the article in this morning's Washington Times correctly, DOJ was still hard at work revising the briefs shortly before midnight. Doesn't Bush go to bed early? Would he have been vetting the drafts at all, or did he delegate that task to somebody else?

[Redleg Duke]

The fact that the administration submitted a brief on the side of the white students is significant. The words in the President's speech were significant. The fact that the brief doesn't match the "intensity" of the speech is insignificant.

The court will rule on the constitutionality of the admissions process. The Administration has filed a brief opposing the admissions process. That is satisfactory for me.

The RATS got us where we are today incrementally. That is how we will get out of it. To expect a complete restoration immediately is unrealistic and naive.