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To: freebilly
Hmmm..., let's see, in the 1st Century the Roman, Titus, destroys Jerusalem, desecrates the Temple, and kills Jews trying to flee the city, but in your mind the Jews were upset because "infidels were occupying the Holy Land."

Jerusalem was besieged by the Romans because the Jews had decided to start a war to drive out the "infidels". A war that had been preceded by 60 years of terrorist activity by Jewish zealots, marked by Palestinian-style assassinations and other murders.

In the 11th Century, The Holy Sepulchre of Christ and all Christian establishments in Jerusalem were destroyed by Moslems, and all Christians in Jerusalem were killed or persecuted, but in your mind the Crusades were undertaken because "infidels were occupying the Holy Land."

The Holy Sepulcher was destroyed in 1009, 90 years before the Crusades, by a nutcase named Hakim who later proclaimed his own divinity and banned Muslims from fasting during Ramadan and making a pilgrimage to Mecca. By that time Hakim was favoring Christians and granting them all sorts of protections. Byzantines rebuilt it in 1048. And there was no mass massacre or persecution of Christians in Jerusalem that provoked the Crusade; there were still several thousand Christians living in the city at the time, who were only ordered out when the Crusaders appeared outside the city walls. Although when the Christians took over Jerusalem in 1099 they made a point of killing every Jew and Muslim who had the bad luck to get trapped in the city. And how can you say that the Crusades were NOT undertaken to remove the "infidels"? That was the whole point of the Crusades: the Muslims were in control of the Holy Land which by right should be Christian.

Today, Moslems strap bombs to themselves and murder innocent civilians and fly jets in buildings, and you have the nerve to say they have the same claim that Jews had 2000 years ago and Christians had 1000 years ago.

Your grasp of history and reality is truly amazing....

It's a matter of historical record. What amazes me is that you would pretend that such wars weren't waged because of resentment of who controlled the Holy Land.

345 posted on 01/18/2003 11:26:13 PM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: SpringheelJack
What amazes me is that you would pretend that such wars weren't waged because of resentment of who controlled the Holy Land

Let's say you are completely correct, the Jewish Revolt of the 1st Century and The Crusades of the 11th-13th Centuries were solely the result of resentment about who controlled Jerusalem.

Furthermore, let's say that there is a complete moral equivalence between Islamic fundamentalists attacking and killing Jews in Israel and Jews killing Romans in the 1st Century as well as Christians killing Jews and Muslims during the Crusades.

To the current credit of Jews and Christians, something happened to purge the streak of violence from these religions. No such reformation has come about in Islam.

Violence is normative in fundamental (Wahhabi) Islam. Violence is not the norm in fundamental Christianity.

No Christian can point to the New Testament to justify violence. Fundamental Muslims can point to the Koran to justify violence and murder. In order for Islam to undergo a reformation, Wahhabism must be exterminated and all copies of the Koran need to be re-edited to take out sections approving the murder of Jews and Christians.

The possibility of this occuring is ZERO. Islam will never outgrow its current infantile state because its core contains this diseased element of hatred for Jews and Christians (or any other religion for that matter).

Wherever there is strife and conflict in the world, chances are Islam is involved. You may say that Wahhabism doesn't represent mainstream Islam, but mainstream Islam chooses to ignore those sections of the Koran telling Muslims to kill Jews and Christians. Should Wahhabism disappear, another virulent form of Islam will appear, and that form will take its justification from the Koran.

351 posted on 01/19/2003 5:08:53 AM PST by freebilly (Why do Republicans play hardball like little girls...?)
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