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To: freebilly
I said: That's the story of humanity - the lust to control, dominate, and repress.

Freebilly replied in sarcasm: That's correct, and I notice in most parts of the world Christians are being the ones to do most of the controlling, dominating, and repressing.

Not now, but they certainly went through their extreme, murderous zealot phase during the era of the Crusades ( c. 1100-c. 1300). Judaism as well fostered a savage, murderous and suicidal fanaticism during the 1st and early 2nd centuries - their behavior during the Jewish Revolt and the immediate years leading up to it is little different from what the Palestinians are doing now. And currently Islam is in that stage.

My point is that this is not primarily a specific religious problem, but an innate human problem. Like the Christians of the 11th century, and the Jews of the 1st century, Islam in the 21st century is mired in a period of resentment and grievance, which is exorcising itself in violence. Even the arguments are the same: 1st century Jew: "the infidels are occupying the Holy Land", 11th century Christian: "the infidels are occupying the Holy Land," 21st century Muslim: "the infidels are occupying the Holy Land".

Modern Islam is a cultural and economic backwater, and will remain that way as long as its practitioners blame others for their lack of status, and seek to dominate and humble a much more powerful foe.

330 posted on 01/18/2003 3:48:55 PM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: SpringheelJack
Not now, but they certainly went through their extreme, murderous zealot phase during the era of the Crusades ( c. 1100-c. 1300).

I forgot, defense of Christian lives and property was "murderous zealotry" during the Crusades....

334 posted on 01/18/2003 7:45:28 PM PST by freebilly (Why do Republicans play hardball like little girls...?)
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To: SpringheelJack
Even the arguments are the same: 1st century Jew: "the infidels are occupying the Holy Land", 11th century Christian: "the infidels are occupying the Holy Land," 21st century Muslim: "the infidels are occupying the Holy Land".

Hmmm..., let's see, in the 1st Century the Roman, Titus, destroys Jerusalem, desecrates the Temple, and kills Jews trying to flee the city, but in your mind the Jews were upset because "infidels were occupying the Holy Land."

In the 11th Century, The Holy Sepulchre of Christ and all Christian establishments in Jerusalem were destroyed by Moslems, and all Christians in Jerusalem were killed or persecuted, but in your mind the Crusades were undertaken because "infidels were occupying the Holy Land."

Today, Moslems strap bombs to themselves and murder innocent civilians and fly jets in buildings, and you have the nerve to say they have the same claim that Jews had 2000 years ago and Christians had 1000 years ago.

Your grasp of history and reality is truly amazing....

335 posted on 01/18/2003 8:02:20 PM PST by freebilly (Why do Republicans play hardball like little girls...?)
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