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Church's sign has Muslims outraged -''Jesus Forbade Murder. Muhammad Approved Murder. Surah 8:65.''
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Posted on 01/17/2003 6:11:48 AM PST by chance33_98



Church's sign has Muslims outraged

Florida pastor says criticism of Islam is legal and fair

Associated Press Friday, January 17, 2003

Jacksonville --- The Council on American-Islamic Relations-Florida is calling on state religious leaders to repudiate a Jacksonville Baptist church's roadside sign the group claims is anti-Muslim.

The sign outside the First Conservative Baptist Church in Jacksonville's Mandarin area reads: ''Jesus Forbade Murder. Matthew 26:52. Muhammad Approved Murder. Surah 8:65.''

Altaf Ali, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations-Florida, said his organization attempted to talk with the Baptist church's officials about the sign, but were rebuffed with belligerent language.

''All Americans must band together to condemn hate speech designed to divide our nation along religious and ethnic lines,'' Ali said. ''Any attempt to marginalize or vilify one religious community is an attack on all people of faith.''

The church's pastor, the Rev. Gene Youngblood, who also leads the Conservative Theological Society and Conservative Christian Academy, said he has been using the marquee-type sign to express the church's opinion for 15 years and has no plans to remove the message.

''First and foremost, are we not entitled to freedom of speech?'' Youngblood said.

Youngblood, who said he is an expert on world religions, said he had been threatened and his property vandalized. He said he has filed 13 police reports since July.

Youngblood said his church would issue a formal statement later.

Iman Zaid Malik, spiritual leader of the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida, said some Christian friends brought the offensive sign to his attention.

''Misinformation must be rejected by all people of conscience,'' Malik said. ''This shows that the vast majority of Americans reject hate and seek a society where good overcomes the evil.''

Malik said the Quran verse indicates that those who believe and are steadfast in battle will overcome much larger armies. It is not an endorsement of murder, he said.

The verse reads: ''O Prophet [Muhammad]! Inspire the believers to conquer all fear of death when fighting, [so that] if there be twenty of you who are patient in adversity, they might overcome two hundred; and if there be one hundred of you, they might overcome one-thousand of those bent on denying the truth, because they are people who cannot grasp it.''

The Council on American-Islamic Relations said the Quran also states, ''whoever murders a person . . . it will be as if he killed all mankind, and whoever saves a life, shall be regarded as if he saved all mankind.''

ON THE WEB: Council on American-Islamic Relations-Florida: www.cair-florida.org

First Conservative Baptist Church: www.conservative.edu/main.htm


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To: Centurion2000
Thanks! Do you know of any websites where we can stroll through an authentically translated Koran?
61 posted on 01/17/2003 7:32:21 AM PST by secretagent
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To: chance33_98
The truth hurts.
63 posted on 01/17/2003 7:35:51 AM PST by YourAdHere
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To: chance33_98
The Baptists are the only Christian Church with a brain.
64 posted on 01/17/2003 7:43:36 AM PST by ZULU
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To: McNoggin
Rather different than saying "kill the infidel and take his wife", isn't it? Especially since they ARE killing us.
66 posted on 01/17/2003 7:45:44 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you can't beat 'em, beat 'em anyway)
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To: McNoggin
Well, then, we shouldn't complain when they smash a plane into a buidling then.
67 posted on 01/17/2003 7:47:20 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you can't beat 'em, beat 'em anyway)
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To: carolina rebel
You prove the point, you don't know the Bible and the difference between the Old and New Testaments.

I also do not speak french, swahili, nor know how to knit. What does that have to do with anything? Please attempt to analyze the topic, and not attack the person. I am at work, and cannot monitor this thread as often as I would like. I also do not have a bible handy. However, your single minded attack on me illustrates your inability to reason outside the confines of Christianity. My point is, and has consistently been "When you isolate a sigle verse from any religious book, you can make it say anything you want to say".

68 posted on 01/17/2003 7:47:40 AM PST by Hodar
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To: carolina rebel
The ten commandments was a basis for Judism, ie before Christ. Just shows we need to attend Sunday School, eh?

I was under the impression that Christ came to fulfill the prophicies, not to destroy them. Do the 10 commandments no longer apply? I don't recall Christ addressing the whole coveting issue, may I do so now? Christ came to fulfill his mission, that he may die that we may be saved. The NT is an extension to the OT, not a replacement of it. Judism rejects the NT, and accepts Christ as a prophet, not the saviour. But, the foundation of our beliefs are the same. And no, I wasn't asleep during sunday school, it only looked that way.

70 posted on 01/17/2003 7:53:52 AM PST by Hodar
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To: Centurion2000
CENTURION2000 WROTE: "Hardcover edition sitting on my shelf at home. Translated by Ahmed Ali from the original Arabic and certified by the Saidi Arabian government as a true and accurate translation."

What is the ISBN?

My husband took a colege course in Islam around 1994 or 1995 and had to get a copy of the Koran. After 911, I saw some quotes on FR supposedly from the Koran and couldn't believe it. I looked up the quotes in the Koran and found that the Koran ABSOLUTELY DOES preach HATE and DEATH toward Jews and Christians!

Unfortunately, we let someone borrow our copy of the Koran after 911 and we're not sure where it is now. I'd like to get another one (but NOT a new one so I don't support their HATE-filled causes).

71 posted on 01/17/2003 7:54:03 AM PST by Concerned
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To: chance33_98
It seems that some on this board have been brainwashed with femin-male APPEASEMENT in every sense of the word. The argument of "well there are some good Muslim's, they are not all like the perps of 9/11" is sheer bullshit. Its like saying in the 1940's, in Germany, that there were some "good" Nazis...lets only rid the earth of the bad ones. The Nazis, whether "good" or "bad" in some way/shape/form supported Hitler and all the evil that came from that man. The same holds true for Islam...period. And the whole argument of "Islam is a religion, not a political organization" is bullshit as well...(except for Turkey) All Islamic countries, in some way/shape/form contribute to the terror and evil against Israel/America/capitalism. They want all non-believers dead...they want a global Islamic state...they are self bred conquerors...both in religion and in politics...just as the Nazis were. THEY need a taste of their own medicine...eliminate them before they eliminate us...no exceptions.
72 posted on 01/17/2003 7:55:54 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be)
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To: Hodar
It's as effective as saying "Muslums are stupid and Christians are smart, and better looking".

Are you trying to suggest this isn't true???

73 posted on 01/17/2003 7:57:25 AM PST by Iscool (it can be pretty painful, even if you're the winner)
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To: Centurion2000
Please see post #62.
74 posted on 01/17/2003 7:58:28 AM PST by Hodar
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To: Hodar
I thought the 10 Commandments was the foundation that Christitantity was built on. That is in the OT, unless I am sorely mistaken.

So where in the Ten Commandments is there a reference to genocide?

If anything, the Ten Commandments stand as a standard in which we are to respect the supremacy of relationships, with God, with parents, with neighbors.

75 posted on 01/17/2003 7:59:41 AM PST by A2J
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
The argument of "well there are some good Muslim's, they are not all like the perps of 9/11" is sheer bullshit.

And the only good Indian, is a dead Indian, right? < /sarcasm>

76 posted on 01/17/2003 7:59:55 AM PST by Hodar
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To: HarryDunne
Given all the "religion of peace" posts on this site, I'd say your words will fall on deaf ears at best.

Its amazing how weak the faith of many on FR must be that they "cringe" at the idea that there is a competing faith out there. They cower so much that they disobey Christ's primary commandment.

77 posted on 01/17/2003 8:01:07 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Agamemnon
Are you saying the Old Testment does not apply to Christians?
78 posted on 01/17/2003 8:02:21 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Geist Krieger
John Ashcroft once said this...

The difference between Islam and Christianity is this...in in Christianity we believe that God sent His only begotten Son to die for us, in Islam they want you to send your sons to die for allah...

I may not have the exact quote but it's pretty close.

79 posted on 01/17/2003 8:02:48 AM PST by Preech1 (REPENT!)
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To: Concerned
OOPS..."colege" should have been "college." I had it right, then edited the sentence and apparently deleted a letter. Sorry.
80 posted on 01/17/2003 8:02:52 AM PST by Concerned
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