Church's sign has Muslims outraged -''Jesus Forbade Murder. Muhammad Approved Murder. Surah 8:65.''

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[HarryDunne]

good point, good question

[Dave S]

The Florida church is expressing why they think Jesus is better than Mohammed based on the teachings of the two men.

And what is the purpose of the sign? Its certainly not to bring Muslims to Christ? If that's not the case, the only other reason I can think of is so the Preacher can feel superior and spread hate. That is, unless he feels his flock is going to convert to Islam.

[A2J]

I'm sure the pro-lifers here will take offense that you dont consider them Christians.

As a pro-life Christian, I take no offense in Appy's words because I think he was saying that it is inconceivable for one who is truly pro-life to bomb/kill someone who is blind and misguided.

But then again, Appy is well able to speak for himself.

[Guillermo]

Uhh, I said "if".

I never said one didn't jive with the other.

[Dead Dog]

True, but we've seen about 11 or so verses of second hand quotations from a murdering, bigamy practicing, wife beating, pedophile warlord who claimed to be a second rate (not as pure as Christ) prophet. This is taken in a context of a religion who's members are 10% for the murder of ALL non believers, and 90% for the forced imposition of Islamic Law on the entire planet. Not to mention 1600 years of constant war that has destroyed countless civilizations from the Asia to France, and has virtually exterminated Christianity form it's boarders. That is pretty convincing in it's self.

Not all phrases are dependant on surrounding text for meaning. If Pat Robertson said it was every Christians duty to "Kill every nonbeliever, take their property, and have their women". It really wouldn't need a context to establish meaning.

[Quix]

EXACTLY.

[Morrigan]

You are right, I doubt it is to bring Muslims to Christ. I think it is a case of "See, we are right, and they are wrong." People are always trying to prove they are right, nothing new there.

However, as far as saying that is "hate speech", that is stretching it. You have to understand that no Muslim will tolerate a bad word spoken against the Koran, Allah, or the Prophet. They cannot allow anyone to say anything disparaging, so they see that as "hate speech." Muslims will do whatever possible to prevent anyone from saying anything bad or critical about Mohammed. That is why CAIR is freaking out right now. They don't understand why blasphemy is protected in the US.

[A2J]

If it is out of context, then why aren't Muslims in general speaking out against those who defile their religion by committing murder.

Probably because Islam is a religion based upon fear, whereas Christianity is based on a "perfect love" that casts out fear.

[Centurion2000]

...it's time to make sure this sort of medieval, retrograde culture doesn't infect this country.

That's precisely what the 1st Amendment is for!

Wrong, they can pray in Arabic. Do their little on their knees dance to Allah the deomn for all I care. The minute they start preaching hate and jihad is when you take them up and throw them out "Inciting a Riot or Violence" is a criminal offense in most places.

Islam is a political system masquerading as a religion.

[DannyTN]

"Jesus came to fullfill the law and replace the beliefs of the old testament with the word of his Father. "

There was no replacement of beliefs in the Old Testament. The same Father spoke in both. Both Testaments are of the very same God.

To fulfill the law was not to replace the law. The law never saved anybody in either the old or the new testament. Faith is what saved people in both. The law was only given to help people understand sin. I believe it's you who needs to do some more studying of the bible.

The Koran was just dictated to Mohammad by God, Therefore there is no seperation in time or thought.

Except it wasn't God, it was a spirit. Mohammad thought it was an evil spirit, but his wife convinced him it was good spirit. This is one time when a Muslim really should have ignored his wife. Mohammad was right the first time.

And Except that it wasn't dictated to Mohammad. Mohammad was illiterate. Mohammad recited and eventually it got written down, but by whom and when I don't think they know.

Therefore there is no separation in time or thought.

But the Koran in one place claims to accept the previous scriptures. And then it contracdicts them. And then it claims that it has no internal contradictions.

Therefore there is a separation in time or thought and then not and then just a jumble of confused and contradictory thought.

[Quix]

"Jesus died for our sins. Muhammad would have you die for yours's"

ABSOLUTELY!

But then, Mormons would do the same in many cases--not only believe that for many people, the only way for them to have salvation--is to die for their own sins. Further, some Mormons have felt 'called of God' to help said people die for their own sins by killing them. I don't recall who--Joseph Smith or B Young was worst about that. It's still written into their doctrines. Though last I checked they didn't go about it near as openly as they did long ago.

IN-GROUP/OUT-GROUP STUFF IS VERY powerful.

And that's WITHOUT authentically bringing God into it at all.

[Dave S]

I don't go to gas stations that use ME oil.

Like to know how you pull that off. All oil is fungible. How you can be sure that your gas tank is never filled with gas pumped from the mideast is beyond me.

If there are Muslims or Arabs in a restaurant I go to, I turn around and leave

Unless you live in Israel, you are truly paranoid.

[Hodar]

Let's see, the Crusades, Salem Witch Hunt, The Spanish Inquisition, and if you would actually use that organ at the top of your neck, you would reach the conclusion that those hijackers were 'religeous fanatics'.

And this may come as a shock, but historically speaking, most terrorists were using their stategy to free their comrades, or support a revolution. Lately, the terrorist push has justified itself by doing as I described prior to 9/11 ...'Those who would espouse their religion, faith or superstitions upon the public...'. Try thinking before attacking, I know it takes time; but it's worth it.

[KMJames]

My point has been (sheesh .... 10th time?) is when anyone takes a single verse, and uses it out of context, it can be unfair.

Do you see anything wrong with this:

"Jesus Forbade Murder. Muhammad Approved Murder."

(no references to Bible or koran verses)?

[Diverdogz]

Oh, yes. Be sure to check the religion and political ideology anyone whom you must trust. This includes bus drivers, physicians, policemen, firefighters, soldiers, chefs, water treatment plant operators, engineers.....the list is endless.

What a bizarre scene it would be to see you quiz a firefighter before allowing him to rescue your wife from your burning house.

[tracer]

This tragic situation needs to be rectified. How do you say "kumbaya" in Arabic?"

[Woahhs]

This preacher's duty is to teach the Word not stir up a hornet's nest. I see no good coming from deliberately trying to insult another religion.

Who are you to say what this preachers duty is? You've never heard of St. Stephen? It's called Christianity, not Pollianity.

[Hodar]

"Jesus Forbade Murder. Muhammad Approved Murder."

Exactly... no problem. You could go even further and say 'Mohammad demands murder'. Current event would support that. And the muslums would not be able to discredit you.