Posted on 01/16/2003 10:05:26 PM PST by stainlessbanner
ROFLMAO - As you pointed out, Frederick Douglass said:
"We would tell him that General Jackson in a slave state fought side by side with Negroes at New Orleans, and like a true man, despising meanness, he bore testimony to their bravery at the close of the war." - Frederick Douglass
That statement is absolutely TRUE. Jackson in a slave state DID fight side by side with negroes at New Orleans, and he DID praise their bravery:
"I was not ignorant that you possessed qualities most formidable to an invading enemy. The President of the United States shall hear how praise worthy was your conduct in the hour of danger." - Andrew Jackson to his black troops
Jackson did keep his promises of $124 and 160 acres of land to both White and Black soldiers. Every single word Douglass said in the quote you gave was TRUE. Once again, you can only fall back on your own desperate desire and attempts to confuse the issues in order to maintain your position. You must also think it a lie that loyal blacks participated in the American Revolution, when they "obviously" could have run off and joined the British to gain their freedom.
Great post Walt. I don't know what party these neo-rebs belong to, but that was MY Republican party in your post.
There is evidence that blacks were still being executed the next day, and along the line of march later.
If Fort Pillow did not have numbers of black POW's executed by the rebels, it would be the exception, not the rule. Black POW's were almost always executed to some degree although some were not.
Let's move on:
"Upon the capture of Plymouth by the rebel forces all the negroes found in blue uniform, or with any outward signs of a Union soldier upon him, was killed. I saw some taken into the woods and hung. Others I saw stripped of all their clothing and then stood upon the bank of the river with their faces riverward and there they were shot. Still others were killed by having their brains beaten out by the butt end of the muskets in the hands of the rebels. All were not killed the day of the capture. Those that were not were placed in a room with their officers, they (the officers) having previously been dragged through the town with ropes around their necks, where they were kept confined until the following morning, when the remainder of the black soldiers were killed."
"The regiments most conspicuous in these murderous transactions were the Eighth North Carolina and, I think, the Sixth North Carolina."
"SAMUEL (his x mark) JOHNSON. Witnessed by John L. Davenport, lieutenant and acting aide-de-camp. Sworn and subscribed to before me this 11th day of July, 1864. John Cassels, Captain and Provost- Marshal."
[Source: Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, Series II, Vol. VII, pp. 459-460.]
Let's discuss the action at Plymouth for a while.
Walt
So far as it went.
It's pretty well known that Jackson betrayed the trust of the blacks who fought with him at New Orleans. It's a big blight on his memory, actually. I'm not surprised that you didn't know of it, as you don't seem to have either a broad or deep font of knowledge about the war or its causes, or American history in general.
Walt
Please provide a link to your use of that quote, and if it was not used to express your sentiments and your belief, then I will admit my error.
Great post Walt. I don't know what party these neo-rebs belong to, but that was MY Republican party in your post.
Thanks.
It does make you wonder why these morons would belittle Abraham Lincoln, that is for sure.
Walt
"Whoever would understand in his heart the meaning of America will find it in the life of Abraham Lincoln...."
And I think of this:
"At home and abroad judgments came oftener that America had at last a President who was All-American. He embodied his country in that he had no precedents to guide his footsteps; he was not one more individual of a continuing tradition, with the dominant lines of the mold already cast for him by Chief Magistrates who had gone before. Webster, Calhoun, and Clay conformed to a classicism of the school of the English gentleman, as did perhaps all the Presidents between Washington and Lincoln, save only Andrew Jackson.
The inventive Yankee, the Western frontiersman and pioneer, the Kentuckian of laughter and dreams, had found blend in one man who was the national head. In the "dreamy vastness" noted by the London Spectator, in the pith of the folk words "The thoughts of the man are too big for his mouth," was the feel of something vague that ran deep in American hearts, that hovered close to a vision for which men would fight, struggle, and die, a grand though blurred chance that Lincoln might be leading them toward something greater than they could have believed might come true.
Also around Lincoln gathered some of the hope that a democracy can choose a man, set him up high with power and honor, and the very act does something to the man himself, raises up new gifts, modulations, controls, outlooks, wisdoms, inside the man, so that he is something else again than he was before they sifted him out and anointed him to take an oath and solemnly sign himself for the hard and terrible, eye-filling and center-staged, role of Head of the Nation.
To be alive for the work he must carry in his breast Cape Cod, the Shenandoah, the Mississippi, the Gulf, the Rocky Mountains, the Sacramento, the Great Plains, the Great Lakes, their dialects and shibboleths. He must be instinct with the regions of corn, textile mills, cotton, tobacco, gold, coal, zinc, iron."
--Abraham Lincoln, The War Years, Vol. II, pp.331-333, by Carl Sandburg
Walt
When a Mythology is fundamentally indefensible, the only way to defend it is to slander the opposition.
The neo-rebs aren't the only ones to do this. Look at the mindless morons defending Saddam or Kim Il. Look at the un-reconstructed Stalinists and Trotskites like Ramsey Clark. They must discount or completely ignore every atrocity committed by their side and exaggerate every sin of the other. They must deny history and demonize the opposition to perpetuate their myths.
WP's response: "I was quoting William Lloyd Garrison, the abolitionist, who said that in a speech on July 4, 1829. You don't know the history."
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You liar. Here's exactly what you said:
"...Reagan's operatives raised money and used it to fund a secret army. As you doubtless know, the separation of powers in that Pact with the Devil we call our Constitution, gives only Congress the right to raise and spend money. The executive branch can't get the grass cut at the White House unless Congress approriates the funds. Bush I lied about his knowledge of all this, and that is on the record too." - Whiskey Papa in post #432 of "Evidence Builds for DeLorenzo's Lincoln".
Yet again you resort to lies and a pathetic attempt to mislead in order to defend yourself. YOU used that phrase as a direct expression of your belief and position, just as I had stated.
Absolutely. They do that every time they can't defend their revisionist fantasies. As another poster pointed out:
"When a Mythology is fundamentally indefensible, the only way to defend it is to slander the opposition."
That is one of the best summaries of WP's tactics I've seen.
"...Reagan's operatives raised money and used it to fund a secret army. As you doubtless know, the separation of powers in that Pact with the Devil we call our Constitution, gives only Congress the right to raise and spend money. The executive branch can't get the grass cut at the White House unless Congress approriates the funds. Bush I lied about his knowledge of all this, and that is on the record too." - Whiskey Papa in post #432 of "Evidence Builds for DeLorenzo's Lincoln".
Yet again you resort to lies and a pathetic attempt to mislead in order to defend yourself. YOU used that phrase as a direct expression of your belief and position, just as I had stated.
I was referring to what Garrison had said. Sorry if it was too subtle for you. But it provides you with some grist for personal attacks, so that has some value to you.
I like the Constitution just fine. I am still under oath to protect it against all enemies foreign and domestic -- which as far as I am concerned, includes a number of people who post on FR.
Walt
ROFLMAO!!! - You were calling the Constitution a "pact with the devil" to express your opinion of it. If anyone doubts it, here is the link to your actual post again: Walt calls Constitution "Pact with the Devil" in post 432. Here's what you said:
"...Reagan's operatives raised money and used it to fund a secret army. As you doubtless know, the separation of powers in that Pact with the Devil we call our Constitution, gives only Congress the right to raise and spend money. The executive branch can't get the grass cut at the White House unless Congress approriates the funds. Bush I lied about his knowledge of all this, and that is on the record too." - Whiskey Papa in post #432 of "Evidence Builds for DeLorenzo's Lincoln".
You were very cleary using that phrase to express you own personal opinion of the Constitution.
You very clearly have given up on denying the murder of black Union POW's and are attacking me personally.
Walt
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