Israel joining the 'War on terror': Staging targeted killings in US, other friendly countries

Jewish World Review ^ | 1-15-03 | Richard Sale

[crazykatz]

HEY!! I think this is a great idea....wish I wasn't such an old lady...I'd help!! Think I could make the Mossad some cookies?

I support Israel all the way!!

Do have the information about how to send Pizzas, ice cream, sodas and burgers to an IDF squad...I did that in the Fall. it felt good to be able to do SOMETHING for the guys.

[Hugin]

I also will not allow our own government to use foreign government agents as a proxy to violate constitution safe guards within the US.

Personally I don't think what you will "allow" makes a whole lot of difference. Of course if they do this it must be absolutely secret and with no mistakes. If they get caught, they will be subject to prosecution.

I also think (hope) we will do the same kind of black ops. The next time a shipload of missiles leaves North Korea we should slip a sub next to it in the middle of the night and put SEALs onboard, disable their communications, and sink it. Funny how that ship just disappeared. Just like that ship full of uranium in the 60s that left France for an Arab country and vanished. It's widely believed in intelligence circles that the Mossad hijacked it and the uranium was used to build Israel's nuclear arsenal.

[Auntie Dem]

Imagine Clinton with power like that.

Clinton did and does have power like that, it's called "Arkancide". And that's just what Mossad should use in their efforts on U.S. soil.

Who is to say that an islamofascist found with five bullets in his head didn't commit suicide? The lamestream press would report such incidents as evidence some radical muslims are finally developing a conscience, and can no longer implement their unauthorized perversion of the religion of peace.

The Clintoons expected us to believe such suicides were common to many others who just happened to have some dirt on the Slickmeister.

[1234]

...The fact that our government was willing to publicize the CIA Predator hit leads me to believe we probably are involved in activities similar to these hit squads.

some mumbling last year on this site 'bout the FBI runnin 'black ops' squads-they're not publicizin it....and i'll make no further elaboration, as at the time on this site i said: "we shouldn't be discussin it".

[Stultis]

(Pssst... Sarandon, Robbins ...'nuff said)

[lavaroise]

The winners of the holy lands in the eyes of G_d will be those who will fear G_d and not men. Israel is set to win that prize on this one article. But that means the rest will turn against it, if that is true. One shall not know whether to forgive, for Jews are not psychics, but that is a matter of interesting Biblical quetion. The antithesis is the start of thought. There are of course some idolatrous iconoclasms, since real icons are those of fear, are those icons we cannot destroy in our minds and hearts, the very icon Jews failed to destroy in and about 70AD, but instead failed to prevent the tragic crucifiction of a man. That said, when Jews as a nation of men are pitted against other nations of men, it comes to a no contest nowadays, that Jews will resist more effectively, if not ultimately, miraculously, despite being confusing the conversion through strength with the one through fear.

Only nations of spirit could better them, but where is the nation of spirits and hearts nowadays?

Also the competition between the icon of fear and the icon of a man is no contest... or could it be? After all, spiritual resistance against a fearing people is not much of an accomplishment than spiritual resistance against the Romans themselves, the real threat and icon of fear. Of course, resistance comes on a first come first "served" basis, and not necessarily on a most fearsome first "served" basis, still, the weight is there.

Is it though a time for settlement of accounts, when the true fear of terrorism is known and widespreadly effective ever since the non-collapse of the Soviets and Chinese? Of course not...

Yes, there is no substitute to thinking but thinking, however, there is to be one tenet to make the thinking rational in basis: fear must be erased, this carpe diem fear, this narcissistic fear. Preparing for the future is what is needed, the ground of fearlessness for future generations. Israel has had not choice in the end, the final solution scripting things so clearly about the inevitability of crippling highly risky regimes of fear.

A lull will sound, a silence, for the souls to chose, to have a chance at ridding of fear. Art of course is a way to cope, the sort of irrationality, expressed, the sort of harlotry, the last hint of a soul not resisting fear but rising to its occasion. The psychics, the superstitious, the anticipatory superstitious wishful thinking social engineers, the communists, psychologists, the islamists and all these thrive so deeply when the regime of fear wins, when the regime of fear rules.

It is not the psychology, it is not the hopes, it is the psychologists and the false prophets!!!

All have to go back to kinder garten thinking methods, because all have lost thinking abilities because of fear, because of that primitive feeling that started in school and that kept living in them forever, always neurotic ... of course, a few have been blessed with a unique opportunity to observe and conclude thus.

Beat up, a man becomes a cripple on a wheel chair no better at running than a new born. Beat up by fear, the most intelligent being on Earth is incoherent, stupid, vain, irrational, more so than a newborn who cries against an abusive parent no matter what. Yes, newborns are better than us, they do not shut up, we do, when faced with fear. On this point Jesus had a point of course, that God's spirit would be known to them better than to us.

So we have to go back to basics in the arguments against thugs who fear life and against superstitious fear mongering and mongered liberals who hope appeasement and peace will bring peace. We have to go back: "shhh, now, honey, thesis, antithesis, thesis, antithesis. You hurt, you cry. You're hit, you hit back. You're told to believe someone, you must doubt that person."

Then next to fear and depression management: "shhhh! yes, fighting back, killing people, is a hard choice. Fear not the present, but fear the future, fear G_d. Fear is indeed the little death, it specualtes about life after death. Woe if you do the same and forget science and thinking for sake of speculation. The lusts, the temptations, the social engineering, the fears, let us go back to basics and learn how to erase those superstitious anticipations."

The process, we must not be afraid of the process, we must not try to anticipate, after all, the enemy makes it so clear that it is all doomed with it. Our promises of course we cannot even keep to our most loved ones who are about to turn against us in the blink of an eye when all falls appart.

What fear? We must fear the statute violations, we must fear G_d, we must fear the loss of status of man, and the gain as a cowardly "all too human" "being". Animals, all are, and maybe even worse, for our projecting brains and intelligence is a double edged sword. The more we know, the more unbearable it is, the more stupid we are.

What fear? What gift of fear? Is this a tool we now embody? The abused now abusing it?

The important is that the hearts will be proselytised ultimately, asking for forgiveness to indulge in children, using them for the hopes of the future, instead of protecting them from fear, ushering them into it. The icons won't even matter then, not even the icons of fear, for the important will be to see the fear right into our enemy's heart and believe and understand how always close we were to defeating it. Yes, the fear users fear most, because that is only that they know.

People rise up, say no and fight back, look at the bravery of your children, and try at least to be half as that brave, and maybe, maybe, but the process must go through, and we cannot anticipate results, we are not psychics, we cannot fear and cope with it, we can only have faith, not the faith of personal belief of how it will happen, but faith that we have to go through the process, that we must at least be there to see our enemy fear, even if we are to lose, we must make sure of this.

[HamiltonJay]

Sauron,

Reality is, hit teams exist, assassinations happen, always have always will. You are completely naive if you think this doesn't happen.

If it takes a hit team to take out some guy like UBL, because he is being protected by say Russia, and is a direct threat to the US, you better believe he's as good as dead, no matter what Russia may think or say. Just as if some major threat to russia may be hiding out here in the US, you don't think the same thing would happen? You bet your behind it would.

Its part of the way the world works, whether we like it or not. We are not talking about indiscriminant killings of political pests, at best. Rush nor Jim Rob, as much as we may find what they do inspiring, rate to a level of assassination, and if our government wanted them dead, they could do it without needing any foreign power involved. You don't need plausible deniability for your own assassins, if they do it, there won't be enough evidence to tie them to the scene anyway. Look at how hard our law enforcement had with an angry wacko and a kid!

Certainly it is legitimate to be concerned, but it is completely naive to think that this doesn't happen, or that even the US, herself does not or has not done such things. We live in a land with such freedom, because just such things do happen. Saddam never got his big bertha gun because the Massad assassinated the idiot scientist who was going to build it for him (thank goodness), and they gave him every oportunity to not go forward with his plans before killing him... IRAQ doesn't have a nuclear reactor because Isreal bombed it to rubble, thank God! Sure these are actions that are considered acts of war, but was the world safer because they happened? You bet it was!

If anything the west has been far too restrained in eliminating world wide threats, IMHO. Israel, as much as anyone has shown restraint far beyond ANY other nation on the planet when dealing with its own terrorism problems. I have no issue with them officially putting terrorists on alert, you plot against us, we will kill you, no matter where you are. Just as I think this is exactly the stand the US should have on the matter.

[usurper]

US does it as well I am certain... you don't train assassins to just sit and wait for war... there isn't a government yet who doesn't or wouldn't do it. You are being naive.

I have no problem with the US using assassins, they simply can't do it here. If you think that our government can be entrusted to "preemptively" kill people on American soil then I think you have a unhealthy perception of the competence of government employees.

[usurper]

Of course if they do this it must be absolutely secret and with no mistakes. If they get caught, they will be subject to prosecution.

That's the point, they always get caught, their incompetent and can't be trusted. That's just one reason why we limit their power. In a country where the President can't get a hummer in the White House without the whole world knowing about it and high ranking FBI and CIA employees on the KGB parole, just how long would this secret last.

Again I see no legal problems with doing it overseas.

[jiggyboy]

heh heh...give every new Israeli-looking guy you see at the office detailed directions to Berkeley, Ithaca, Seattle, Madison, etc...

[Hugin]

That's the point, they always get caught, their incompetent and can't be trusted.

The Israelis have never been caught, although they did screw up and kill the wrong guy once. After the operation was cancelled it did get leaked though. But they did manage to hunt down and kill every PLO terrorist responsible for the Munich massacre.

BTW, it's "they're" not "their".

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

What a paradox. A death squad in US soil, with most Americans cheering it on. I'm tempted to cheer it on, myself. But there is danger in this. I'll oppose this, but I think I'll wait a year or two. FReegards....

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

"I have no problem with the US using assassins, they simply can't do it here."

I agree. GW should put Hans Blix in charge of investigating the matter and ferretting out these anti-alqaeda assassins. Then, in a couple of years, or maybe three, Condi Rice tells Hans Blix we aren't interested in his next report... "Don't bother." Then Hans Blix puts on his Superman suit, with an S&M collar around his neck, and captures them. The President upholds his sworn duty to uphold the Constitution. He simply makes a bad decision regarding who investigates. If Lincoln could get away with having McClellan as his general for so many years without being impeached, I suppose Bush could make this 'mistake'.

[SJackson]

I'd agree it's a lousy idea too.

Personally I doubt it's happening. I wouldn't be surprised if targeting is picking up in the third world, both Israeli and the US, but I'd bet UPI got the story wrong.

[HamiltonJay]

Who is talking about our government assassinating people in america? This discussion is about Israel sending their assassins into other countries to kill terrorist.