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[Always A Marine]

This article is written like a scare piece, as if this sort of thing doesn't already happen. I am not alarmed, since Mossad and I have the same enemies. Besides, they'll make it look like Tyrone, Leroy and Hakim did it...

[krodriguesdc]

if israel dares to come to the USA to carry out targeted murder there will be hell to pay for all concerned...

US citizens do not want the troubles in israel being solved here...

israel can only hurt israel by doing that...

[HAL9000]

A congressional staff member with deep knowledge of intelligence matters said, "I don't know on what basis we would be able to protest Israel's actions."

How about this - As a matter of policy, we don't do "targeted killings" in this country. Nor do we permit other countries to do so here - even Israel.

If Israel does go forward with targeted killings in this country, it will be messy. The agents can be arrested and subjected to the legal process. If they manage to return home and extradition is refused, a major diplomatic crisis will ensue.

[Archangelsk]

Suppose the Israelis make a mistake, as they did in Norway, and execute a U.S. citizen. What will happen then?

[Deathmonger]

I sure don't want Israeli agents, protected by diplomatic immunity and unbound by the US constitution, free to run around murdering US citizens they don't like.

[per loin]

When the local trash removal agency is not doing its job, sometimes you have to bring in outside contractors.

[JeeperFreeper]

Jihad they want; jihad they get. And to somehow think that these fanatics will somehow be persuaded not to kill innocent Americans by our refusal to work with the Mossad is simply ludicrous. You simply cannot persuade or reason with hate filled fanatics. We are at war.All we can do is send 'em to hell.

[norinos]

Heres a story about some terrorists that deserve targeted killings, especially that slime Sheinbein.

February 27, 1998

Israel extradition law offers help to alleged criminals MATTHEW DORF

Jewish Telegraphic Agency

WASHINGTON -- Are Israelis committing crimes in the United States and fleeing home to avoid prosecution? In some cases, yes. But recent developments suggest that while these alleged criminals can run, they can't necessarily hide.

The issue emerged in September, when a Maryland teenager claimed Israeli citizenship in an effort to avoid a murder trial in the United States.

The case of Samuel Sheinbein came before the Israeli courts this week as Israeli officials, seeking to comply with a U.S. request for extradition, argued that despite the youth's claim, he is not an Israeli citizen.

While Sheinbein's case is extreme, his flight from U.S. prosecutors has focused some unwanted attention on Israel's extradition policy.

Like most European countries and many South American nations, Israel does not extradite its citizens. But it does allow prosecutions in its own courts for crimes committed abroad.

But the fear of prosecution at home has not stopped at least a half-dozen Israelis from fleeing the United States in recent months.

The recent trend has elicited much concern among U.S. law-enforcement personnel and prosecutors, who fear that Israeli criminals will use the Jewish state as a refuge.

After a Miami couple jumped bond in late December to avoid a trial on charges they were involved with a multimillion-dollar money-laundering scheme, the local prosecutor told reporters that he is afraid Israelis will "abuse that protection in Israel" by using the Jewish state as a "safe haven."

Prosecutors say the Israelis are gambling that U.S. law-enforcement officials will not have the resources or motivation to pursue cases in Israel.

Prosecutors are quick to point out that many Israelis accused of crimes in the United States do not flee. But a State Department official said local district attorneys have contacted its legal department to discuss the problem.

There is hardly an "epidemic," this official said, but it is "on our radar screen."

The case of the 17-year-old Sheinbein has been the most visible one in recent months.

The Maryland teenager fled to Israel days after police say he murdered and dismembered his friend Alfredo Enrique Tello, 19, in a Washington, D.C., suburb.

Sheinbein, who had never before claimed Israeli citizenship, contended that his father's status as an Israeli extends to him.

Israeli officials say otherwise. While they have not questioned the elder Sheinbein's citizenship, Israeli officials, including the attorney general, say the youth is not an Israeli because his father, born in prestate Palestine, left the country at a young age.

But Sheinbein's attorney argued in Jerusalem District Court on Sunday that Sheinbein is an Israeli citizen.

On Wednesday, Judge Moshe Ravid proposed a compromise, suggesting that Sheinbein voluntarily return to the United States to stand trial, and, if convicted, be permitted to serve out his sentence in Israel.

The compromise, if accepted by the defense and prosecution in the case, would sidestep the U.S. extradition request.

The youth's lawyer, David Libai, said the compromise was reasonable, "and worthy of favorable consideration."

The prosecution requested time to study it. Both sides are to convey their response on Monday.

Until 1977, there was an extradition treaty between the United States and Israel. But an Israeli law, passed in 1977 and intended to protect Israelis from legal actions abroad motivated by anti-Semitism, superseded that treaty, according to an Israeli official in Washington.

Since then, the Israeli law barring extradition of its citizens has come under fire in the United States.

The Sheinbein case reopened the issue, resulting in congressional pressure not only to extradite Sheinbein, but also to change the law to prevent similar situations in the future.

Israeli officials are quick to point out that Sheinbein will face prosecution in any event. Israel has vowed to prosecute him in the Jewish state if the courts rule that Sheinbein cannot be extradited.

Israeli officials in Jerusalem and Washington also have gone to great lengths to explain that their justice system -- including its extradition policy and the option of domestic prosecution -- is far from unique.

Nonetheless, the law against extradition is currently under review in the Knesset.

Since Sheinbein fled in September, at least five Israelis also have attempted to avoid prosecution:

*The Miami case of alleged money laundering involved three Israelis -- Yehuda and Kineret Kashti, and Danny Fisher. They all had surrendered their passports to the courts, but somehow were able to take an El Al flight to Israel.

Prosecutors had hoped to link the defendants with an Israeli mob scheme to cooperate with Colombian cocaine cartels.

*In New York, a Brooklyn couple, Dov and Ayala Engel, fled to Israel after banking investigators accused them of committing fraud in securing millions of dollars in loans. The FBI has now joined the investigation.

Although the status of those cases in Israel is not clear, Israeli officials cite a 1987 murder case as evidence that Sheinbein, and any others who flee, will not escape prosecution in Israel.

Jack and Carmen Hively were murdered in 1987 in California by two Israeli hit men hired by the family's son-in-law.

California prosecutors traveled to Israel to work with Israeli prosecutors in Israeli courts to convict Nadav Nackan and Yair Orr for the Hively murders after they fled to Tel Aviv. After a four-month trial in 1990, both were sentenced to life in an Israeli prison.

Nackan's sentence was eventually reduced after he cooperated with the U.S. legal team and implicated the Hively's son-in-law in the murder-for-hire scheme.

Israel has also extradited Americans who have sought safe haven in Israel if they became citizens after committing a crime abroad.

Robert and Rachel Manning were extradited to the United States after sending a fatal letter bomb to a secretary at a California computer company in 1980. They fled to the West Bank town of Kiryat Arba and claimed Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return, which grants such status to all Jews.

After losing a well-publicized, two-year fight against extradition, Robert Manning was convicted in a U.S. court and sentenced to life imprisonment in February 1994.

His wife was in an Israeli prison, having just lost her own battle against extradition, when she died of a heart attack in March 1994.

Also extradited because he was not an Israeli citizen at the time he committed a crime was Eddie Antar, better known as "Crazy Eddie," the electronics giant who fled to Israel in the 1980s to avoid charges of U.S. tax evasion.

[freeeee]

A foreign government, sending hit squads to our sovereign nation, to kill anyone it damned well pleases, including American citizens, without the slightest bit of oversight, accountability, or due process.

Come to think of it, there's a word for that: INVASION.

And here I was thinking our military's job was to prevent precisely that from happening.

I had this crazy idea that the United States was a sovereign nation (anyone know what that means?!) and is the sole jurisdiction of, well... THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE!!!

And in a surreal and bazaar turn of events, some of those who consider themselves the utmost patriots, and swore on their lives to never allow a foreign, armed force to operate in our land will cheer this, and scorn me for questioning it.

That's fine. Go right ahead and ignore the disastrous consequences of the PRECEDENT being set here. Because in a few years, with a new administration, the foreign hit squads, (and their targets) are going to be quite different...

[Mr. Mojo]

Good. If we're unwilling to kill Muslim terrorists on our own soil, I'm glad Israel is going to step up to the plate and take care of our business.

[waxhaw]

I suspect Israel has been doing this in the U.S. for quite some time and it is only now being made public. Apart from that, why can't Bush dump CIA director Tenet and find somebody like Dagan to re-vitalize the CIA?

[knighthawk]

I hereby invite the Mossad to come to my country, the Netherlands, and rid us of the terrorists that roam here freely because our government is too PC and scared to tackle them.

[knighthawk]

If we are opposed to Israel killing off terrorists in the US because they will do it clandestine, why not officialy invite them?

After all, the US declared a war on terrorism.

There are people who are saying they don't want Israel to kill 'US citiznes'. So I take it you rather live next to these so called 'US citizens', 'US citizens' who fly planes into buildings? Who trained in Afghan terrorism camps?

Let's face it. The FBI and CIA are too incompetent to handle them. 9/11 proved that beyond any doubt.

We need to cooperate with countries that are in the same war against terrorism.

[Godel]

We should be glad that someone has the guts to do targetted killings, and if they kill ones in our backyard, even better!!!

[sit-rep]

let 'em go...it's about time someone grew some gonads.

SR

[Steve Eisenberg]

Israel is embarking upon a more aggressive approach to the war on terror that will include staging targeted killings in the United States and other friendly countries, former Israeli intelligence officials told United Press International.

For Israel to send agents to America to murder people is the most insane possible move it could make. The whole idea is nothing more than the fantasy of anti-Israel fanatics, since there is nothing Israel could do that would be more self-destructive. If these former Israeli intelligence agents exist, which I rather doubt, Israel should arrest them (but not in the US!) and charge them with well-deserved treason. But more likely the interviews are made up or wildly distored.

Folks, we are talking here about Ariel Sharon, a man who anti-Israel types say is an extremist, but actually is quite middle-of-the-road. His reelection platform is that he want to govern in a coalition with the dovish Labor party. How would he do this while carrying out extreme policies like this? Ridiculous.

He has put Israel's relationship with Washington at the top of his political agenda in his 20 months as prime minister. And now he's going to throw it all away just to get rid of one or two third level terrorists? After all, the US would love to help arrest any first rate terrorist on our soil. Folks, think!

[Revolting cat!]

That's fine and dandy with this cat, since we have a tendency in this country to insist on the process for its own sake, on the Perry Mason theatrics, and and Johnny Cochran rhymes. Won't leave the outcome to the future Guvnor Ryans. Get rid of the scoundrels without all the prime time TV melodrama.

As someone noted above, this has been happening for ages. Dissidents from foreign countries who found a refuge here, have died under mysterious circumstances, the cases never solved. Don't gimme no pitchers of US Constitution here, or high moral stands, 'coz you've been tolerating this for decades from the Soviets and other wonderful governments.

[Minutemen]

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