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NASA wants space flights to be nuclear
TheStar.com ^ | 1/12/03 | GWYNETH SHAW

Posted on 01/13/2003 8:04:21 PM PST by Brett66

NASA wants space flights to be nuclear Fission would be used to produce electricity Agency says safety top priority in 2-pronged project

GWYNETH SHAW
SPECIAL TO THE STAR

WASHINGTON—There's a fact that NASA chief administrator Sean O'Keefe has become fond of sharing during his first year in office: Today's spaceships travel at the same speed as the Friendship 7 when John Glenn rode it to fame with his 1962 orbit of the Earth.

O'Keefe's point: There have been few advances in space propulsion in the last 40 years.

If the chief has his way, however, that will change.

Last year, O'Keefe announced that the National Aeronautics and Space Administration will spend $1 billion (U.S.) during the next five years working to convert nuclear technology into electrical power, an advance that, if it works, would revolutionize the way robots and humans travel through space.

"It's a totally different system that opens up a whole new range of options for the scientific community," says Ray Taylor, a program executive in NASA's Office of Space Science.

"It would mean a real shift and expansion in the ability to do exploration of the solar system."

The proposed Nuclear Systems Initiative is a two-pronged approach. The first task is to develop a new generation of the radioisotope thermoelectric generators NASA has used for decades on robotic missions such as those undertaken by the Cassini and Galileo spacecraft.

The plutonium units, known as RTGs, use the heat from the natural decay of the radioactive materials to generate electricity. The units are self-contained, and there is no nuclear reaction.

In the second, more ambitious, phase of the program, NASA scientists will attempt to take a page from the U.S. Navy's nuclear-submarine fleet and explore using fission — a tightly controlled nuclear reaction — to provide electricity.

The more advanced technology not only could provide power for instruments on a spacecraft but also open the door for a faster way to propel the craft through space. That, in turn, would slash travel times for far-flung planets — exactly what NASA is hoping to do.

O'Keefe says the promise of nuclear technology will be useful across the board. But it's particularly important if NASA is ever going to send humans to Mars, a trip fraught with risk because of the dangerous ultraviolet radiation to which astronauts would be exposed.

"You can conquer that, partially, by getting there faster and getting back sooner," O'Keefe explains. "That's the reason why we're hell bent to leather on trying to pursue this."

NASA already has begun the competitive-bid process for research and development grants for both the advanced RTGs and the fission project, Taylor says. There is no set timetable for a finished product, although scientists are counting on the newer RTGs for a 2009 robotic mission to Mars.

If the technology can be developed, it would be a huge leap.

For example, Taylor says, an RTG such as the one aboard Galileo offered about 600 watts of electric power. A nuclear-electric propulsion system could have about 100,000 watts, which would be used to propel the spacecraft through its journey and then power cameras, sensors and other scientific instruments.

Says Taylor: "All these technologies are being developed so that mission planners will have more options to draw from in the future. Certainly, nuclear propulsion has tremendous benefits, not just for propulsion but because of the tremendous power it offers. That can be used to operate a whole new generation of instruments."

NASA is working closely with the U.S. Department of Energy on the program and O'Keefe and others throughout the agency have offered repeated assurances that nuclear power would be used only with safety as the absolute priority.

Prior flights that have used RTG units have drawn fire from nuclear critics, most recently before the 1997 launch of Cassini, the subject of heavy protests about the possibility of an accident on the launchpad.

"Safety is our Number 1 priority," says Taylor. "But all this is driven by the need to expand the ability to explore the solar system. That's why this is being done. It's not just a fun side activity."

Orlando Sentinel


TOPICS: Government; Technical
KEYWORDS: goliath; ion; nasa; nerva; nuclear; propulsion; rtg; space; spacecraft; vasimr
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1 posted on 01/13/2003 8:04:22 PM PST by Brett66
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To: *Space; RightWhale; anymouse; RadioAstronomer; NonZeroSum; jimkress; discostu; The_Victor; ...
Ping.
2 posted on 01/13/2003 8:05:06 PM PST by Brett66
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To: Brett66
'bout time. It will do until we work out the bugs in the warp drive.
3 posted on 01/13/2003 8:08:25 PM PST by Ahban
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To: Brett66
I like the idea.
4 posted on 01/13/2003 8:09:17 PM PST by Commander8
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5 posted on 01/13/2003 8:10:47 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Ahban; Brett66
Too right it's about bloody time. A piece of plutonium not much bigger than your fist can destroy a whole city, yet we still have periodic energy shortfalls. What the hell is going on?
6 posted on 01/13/2003 8:11:00 PM PST by droberts
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To: Brett66
But it's particularly important if NASA is ever going to send humans to Mars, a trip fraught with risk because of the dangerous ultraviolet radiation to which astronauts would be exposed.
7 posted on 01/13/2003 8:14:23 PM PST by null and void (*sigh*)
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BUMP
8 posted on 01/13/2003 8:27:40 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi . Please Donate or Try Going Monthly!!! Don't Let Them Take the Hot Tub Away ;-))
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To: Brett66
I seem to remember a few years ago that NASA was going to test a Nuclear propulsion system out but it was nixed because of all the suposed dangers the anti-nuke folks were screaming about. Can't remember the name, Busard maybe? But in theory we could almost achieve the speed of light over a prolonged period of time. Forgive my ignorance, but from what I remember the Nuclear propulsion system would fire up and then cut off, when the ship reached its maximum velocity the engines would again fire and go off line, and the process would repeat.Doubling the ships speed everytime the engines fired.

I hate to think of the advances we have lost in space exploration/travel just because a handful of folks decided we did not need it. We might have WARP engines by now.

9 posted on 01/13/2003 8:32:49 PM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: JustAnAmerican
That sounds like the Orion.

PROJECT ORION - The True Story of the Atomic Spaceship

10 posted on 01/13/2003 8:42:53 PM PST by Brett66
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To: null and void
What kind of SPF rating do you think a ship's hull plus wearing a space suit would get?
11 posted on 01/13/2003 8:53:47 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: JustAnAmerican; Brett66
I seem to remember a few years ago that NASA was going to test a Nuclear propulsion system out but it was nixed because of all the suposed dangers the anti-nuke folks were screaming about.

Probably NERVA or the SP-100 program.

12 posted on 01/13/2003 8:58:56 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Brett66
This title is a bit misleading as they seem to be talking about fission based ion drives and nuclear powerplants or electricial systems on the spacecraft.

They SHOULD be working on the pacticalities of nuclear pulse detonation thrust engines. ORION should have been up in the fifties of LAST century.

We have space cruisers up there already were it not for the eco-fringe movement.

13 posted on 01/13/2003 8:59:55 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Darth Crackerhead)
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To: JustAnAmerican
In all the proposed propulsion systems I've seen that are considered feasable the heat of the reaction is used to accelerate a working fluid to a very high velocity. Instead of combustion providing the heat, the nuclear reaction does.
14 posted on 01/13/2003 9:00:06 PM PST by FreeperinRATcage
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To: Centurion2000
Okay, since you're the one who talks the deepest so far, you get the question...

Can you give me a thumb nail sketch on a "nuclear pulse detonation thrust engine"? How does it work? Or are we talking sci-fi here??

IMWLTK

SR

15 posted on 01/13/2003 9:16:07 PM PST by sit-rep
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To: droberts
It's all in the release, slow or fast.
16 posted on 01/13/2003 9:19:38 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (God cannot alter the past, but historians can. - Samuel Butler)
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To: Reaganesque
What kind of SPF rating do you think a ship's hull plus wearing a space suit would get?

High?

17 posted on 01/13/2003 9:21:27 PM PST by null and void
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To: sit-rep
Nuclear-pulse detonation thrust engines work in the followng way: you produce a bunch of "high-yield" nuclear devices that you eject from the back of the spacecraft periodically, and when the spacecraft is a safe distance away, you detonate the device, and the shock wave propells the spacecraft. Of course, the spacecraft has to be reenforced for this, but the speed that can be theoretically can be reached with this is a lot faster than a conventional rocket. You only use it in interplanetary space, of course, because of the dangers involved. If you think the stink raised over the plutonium used on deep space probes was bad, if this ever gets off the drawing board, expect a lot of outrage.
18 posted on 01/13/2003 9:22:47 PM PST by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: sit-rep
An Orion pulse drive would have one God-awful heavy mounted shock / pusher plate on the rear of the craft. Not sure about the materials engineering but it would be strong and a good thermal radiator. The 'bombs' would be shot out the back and possibly ignited with laser fusion or the standard fission type. I think they were talking about 1 per minute up to one ever 10 seconds.

The shock wave from the blast would 'push' on the plate and provide thrust for ship.

Are they possible using today's material science ? Yep. The outer space treaty of 1967 prohibits nuclear detonations in space though. Biggest block to space development for the US ever made.

Any other questions ?

19 posted on 01/13/2003 9:36:33 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Darth Crackerhead)
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To: sit-rep
Here's a pic:

And a link:

Building Tomorrow's Space Battleships with Today's Tech

20 posted on 01/13/2003 9:37:09 PM PST by Brett66
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