Tax Protester Told to Stop Giving Advice

Associated Press ^ | Mon, Jan. 13, 2003 | MARC LEVY

[heyhey]

HARRISBURG, Pa. - A tax protester who allegedly promotes a bogus legal loophole to convince people they owe no taxes was ordered by a federal judge to stop the practice and turn over his clients' records.

The order came Friday in the government's effort to force Thurston Bell of Hanover to stop giving clients allegedly false tax advice and charging large fees for filing tax returns.

[Poohbah]

That's a fine argument. The Constitution wasn't followed when the 16th was implemented!

In that case...the 2nd Amendment wasn't ratified, either, by the criteria demanded by the "Law That Never Was" crowd. Hell, the entire Constitution was never ratified.

Or do you believe the amendment was lawfully ratified?

Yes. Do you believe that the CONSTITUTION was ratified?

[philman_36]

Thanks philman_36.
No problema.
I hate to give KC the time of day.
I love giving Kevin Curry "the time of day".
Watching him scurry about packing other people's luggage...such Samsonitic fun.
(about the only thing KC and I do agree on is dissing homosexuality)

[philman_36]

In that case...the 2nd Amendment wasn't ratified, either, by the criteria demanded by the "Law That Never Was" crowd. Hell, the entire Constitution was never ratified.
Yes, the 2nd was ratified along with the other nine amendments of the BOR. The "criteria demanded" wasn't established by "the "Law That Never Was" crowd", it was demanded far earlier than it ever came into existence.
That "crowd" is just calling the dealer on his three card monte.
Do you believe that the CONSTITUTION was ratified?
Yes, I believe the Constitution was ratified. In fact, it is historical fact that it was ratified. Kind of hard to refute that. It is also historical fact that the 16th wasn't, though many wish that it weren't so.
See heel for instructions and use the lavatory. You've pissed yourself.

[inquest]

bump for later

[Poohbah]

Yes, the 2nd was ratified along with the other nine amendments of the BOR. The "criteria demanded" wasn't established by "the "Law That Never Was" crowd", it was demanded far earlier than it ever came into existence.

Except that when you apply that criteria in the fashion that the "Law that Never Was" crowd demands, EVERY ratification instrument is grossly defective (misspellings, different punctuation, et cetera).

Yes, I believe the Constitution was ratified. In fact, it is historical fact that it was ratified.

Not if you buy the "Law That Never Was" argument.

Kind of hard to refute that.

Actually, it's incredibly easy to refute. According to Bannister et al, even misplacing a comma invalidates the ratification instrument. It must be letter-perfect in all aspects when compared against the original text voted on in Congress.

No two ratification instruments submitted by the states meet those criteria.

It is also historical fact that the 16th wasn't, though many wish that it weren't so.

In that case, why have none of the legislatures of the several states that allegedly did NOT vote to ratify the 16th Amendment challenged the alleged ratification?

[ApesForEvolution]

"Many of these "tax protestors" are actually working for the IRS to help boost their seizure statistics."

Poohbah, I've heard this before (and don't doubt it-wouldn't put it past the government), but have never heard anyone name-names. Can you name one?

[Poohbah]

Poohbah, I've heard this before (and don't doubt it-wouldn't put it past the government), but have never heard anyone name-names. Can you name one?

Only via rumors, which I won't repeat. My brother works for Infernal Revenue, and he is LEGALLY ENJOINED from naming names--it would "violate the privacy rights" of the stoolies for an IRS employee, present or former, to name them. Isn't that just so touching?

[philman_36]

Ramble, ramble ramble...insinuate, castigate, reprobate.
Ah...
In that case, why have none of the legislatures of the several states that allegedly did NOT vote to ratify the 16th Amendment challenged the alleged ratification?
Something coherent!
Inside Oklahoma's 16th Amendment lawsuit

Time will tell.

[ApesForEvolution]

"In that case, why have none of the legislatures of the several states that allegedly did NOT vote to ratify the 16th Amendment challenged the alleged ratification?"

That's a rhetorical question, right? The windfall to states's bureacrats from the Centralized Federal Government bureacrats is staggering.

[Poohbah]

That's a rhetorical question, right? The windfall to states's bureacrats from the Centralized Federal Government bureacrats is staggering.

It wasn't staggering in 1913.

[philman_36]

My brother works for Infernal Revenue...
Oh, isn't that rich! Is your whole family joined to the government teat?
No, no "vested interest" for you...

[Poohbah]

That's not a lawsuit by the state of Oklahoma, it's a lawsuit by a private individual. Try again.

[Poohbah]

Is your whole family joined to the government teat?

No.

How much does the IRS pay you to con some sucker into not filing and not paying? Thirty pieces of silver a head, maybe?

[ApesForEvolution]

"Only via rumors, which I won't repeat. My brother works for Infernal Revenue, and he is LEGALLY ENJOINED from naming names--it would "violate the privacy rights" of the stoolies for an IRS employee, present or former, to name them. Isn't that just so touching?"

Touching indeed!

I've a cousin and another good friend that worked (stellar employees I might add) for the Federal Mafioso (42 years between them) and they have pointed out gaping errancies in the code, which the liars and thieves could not refute - and have navigated through through the smoke and mirrors to magnificent ends to defeat the lying thieves at their own game.

They give their knowledge away - and are very blessed for it...

[ApesForEvolution]

"It wasn't staggering in 1913."

The visionaries and corruptible got their due for putting the wheels in motion. A 1% war tax on personal labor simply opened the door...

[philman_36]

That's not a lawsuit by the state of Oklahoma, it's a lawsuit by a private individual. Try again.
We'll see how it goes. As the saying goes...put the feet to the fire.
Try again? As I said, time will tell. Can't cite an action when there is none to cite...yet!
...why have none of the legislatures of the several states that allegedly did NOT vote to ratify the 16th Amendment challenged the alleged ratification?
Maybe 'cause they're scairt! Maybe 'cause they've never been challenged.
I'll take the popcorn and front row seats. You seem inclined to want to take the back door out.

[philman_36]

How much does the IRS pay you to con some sucker into not filing and not paying?
Nice attempt at insinuation. I don't work for the IRS and I'm not the one with relatives who work at the IRS.
Thirty pieces of silver a head, maybe?
Ooooooh...calling me Judas! How quaint.

[philman_36]

They give their knowledge away - and are very blessed for it...
Good for them, and rightly so!

[agrandis]

The real Patrick Henry wrote a lot about protesting taxes, too. I think he would be appalled that the people called Americans now allow government agents to search their bank records to find "unreported income" (the British would never have dreamed of such impudence), and that we would all pay various levels of government rent for everything we own (property taxes). He would be appalled, but not surprised, as he predicted we could not remain free if we became intemperate.

[AppyPappy]

I'll take the popcorn and front row seats.

You are watching the same game over and over, hoping the score will be different but it's the same every time.