Posted on 01/13/2003 10:33:14 AM PST by Heartlander
John G. West, Jr. Research News and Opportunities in Science and Theology January 9, 2003 |
Recent news accounts about controversies over evolution in Ohio and Georgia have contained references to the scientific theory of "intelligent design." Some advocates of Darwinian evolution try to conflate "intelligent design" (ID) with "creationism," sometimes using the term "intelligent design creationism." (1) In fact, intelligent design is quite different from "creationism," as even some of its critics have acknowledged. University of Wisconsin historian of science Ronald Numbers is critical of intelligent design, yet according to the Associated Press, he "agrees the creationist label is inaccurate when it comes to the ID movement." Why, then, do some Darwinists keep trying to identify ID with creationism? According to Numbers, it is because they think such claims are "the easiest way to discredit intelligent design." (2) In other words, the charge that intelligent design is "creationism" is a rhetorical strategy on the part of those who wish to delegitimize design theory without actually addressing the merits of its case.
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And that's why we have medicines, to get rid of the darned things. It's funny that the "evidence" evolutionists give for their theory kills the organisms instead of improving them. Maybe we should call it the theory of DEvolution??????
Interesting that you should compare evolution to human intelligence. That is exactly what ID says, that species, organisms, etc. show signs of organization similar to those in human intelligence. That evolutionists have to try to adopt this analogy to fight ID shows quite well that evolution is in its death throes.
How Darwinian of you - promises, promises, but no facts. Evolution - 150 years of lying.
Absolutely false and you know it. Viruses cannot replicate themselves, they take over the cell of the body they are infecting and change their DNA to use for replicating themselves. There is nothing random about it. Shame on you.
As I have mentioned before, if the randomness pillar of the theory of evolution crumbles, it doesn't mean the genetic research and research into natural selection will fall with it. IMHO, it shouldn't!
However, because the theory of evolution currently requires that the process never be directed and that it have no purpose were the randomness pillar to implode - a new name would be a good idea. People are used to differentiating between Einstein's theory v Newton's - they may need to differentiate between Doe's theory of evolution and Darwin's.
I wish evolutionists were more malleable on randomness. IMHO, if they were, there would be no tsunami coming from the mathematics, physics and information theory corner - and no contest over K-12 education by the ID movement.
One final point, the common descent pillar might be next to suffer from the same line of research. But in this case, because of exobiology and astrobiology theory, if the math doesnt support a single common ancestor on earth, then the first instinct might be to look to the stars for multiple ancestors. I would expect that of science, but terrestrial or not - the intelligent design argument would remain.
But I am not asking about genetic research. I am asking whether you think that the machinery of evolution stops working if mutations are not random.
Regards,
Lev
Do you have a better one which would help explain the crossroad and differences between randomness and determinism for the lurkers?
But I am not asking about genetic research. I am asking whether you think that the machinery of evolution stops working if mutations are not random.
I would not throw the baby out with the bathwater. IMHO, the machinery - autonomy, self-organized complexity - does not require randomness in mutation, formation of genetic code or natural selection.
However, the very strict definition of the term evolution as it applies to biological systems, i.e. the theory of evolution requires that the process never be directed and that it have no purpose.
That attitude portends a tsunami.
For lurkers looking for more insight, here is a bit more on the issues: Discussion
The Foundation questions whether "order," physical "complexity," or "shared entropy" are synonymous with "prescriptive information," "instructions," or "organization." Christoph Adami emphasizes that information is always "about something, and cannot be defined without reference to what it is information about." It is "correlation entropy" that is "shared" or "mutual." Thus, says Adami, "Entropy can never be a measure of complexity. Measuring correlations within a sequence, like Kolmogorov and Chaitin (and Lempel-Ziv, and many others) is not going to reveal how that sequence is correlated to the environment within which it is to be interpreted. Information is entropy "shared with the world," and the amount of information a sequence shares with its world represents its complexity." (Personal communication; see also PNAS, April 25, 2000, _97_, #9, 4463-4468).
Differences of perspective among information theorists are often definitional. "Complexity" and "shared entropy" (shared uncertainty between sender and receiver) has unfortunately often been used synonymously with "prescriptive information (instruction)." But is it? Mere complexity and shared entropy seem to lack the specification and orchestrational functionality inherent in the genetic "instruction" system of translation.
The confusion between algorithmic instruction and Maxwell-Boltzmann-Gibbs entropy may have been introduced through the thought experiment imagining Maxwell's Demon - a being exercising intelligent choice over the opening and closing of a trap door between compartments. Statistical mechanics has no empirical justification for the introduction of purposeful control over the trap door.
Solar energy itself has never been observed to produce prescriptive information (instruction/organization). Photons are used by existing instructional mechanisms which capture, transduce, store, and utilize energy for work. Fiber optics is used by human intelligence to transmit meaningful prescriptive information (instruction) and message. But raw energy itself must not be confused with functional prescriptive information/instructions. The latter is a form of algorithmic programming. Successions of certain decision-node switch settings determine whether a genetic "program" will "work" to accomplish its task.
Evolutionary theory does not require that either mutation nor selection be undirected.
Then there is no substantive dispute between the theory of evolution and intelligent design. That statement in K-12 textbooks would make all the difference!
Here's the dispute: ID says that evolution can't work with random variations.
Here's the dispute: ID says that evolution can't work with random variations.
Where does it say that?
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