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To: ThomasJefferson
Most people believe things in degrees, libertarians believe that the use of force in the defense of rights is acceptable, but not the initiation of force to attain goals.

The “attain goals” wording kind of needs a little explanation before I could go along with it. For instance is a police officer turning on his red lights to pull over someone the officer believes is drunk driving a use of force, and if so is the officer using force that would be a use of force in the defense of rights or to attain a goal?

If this is not a use of force would the impounding vehicle be a use of force to attain the goal of depriving a drunk driving his vehicle?

My problem is I see most all use of force must have a goal so where are your perimeters?

242 posted on 01/13/2003 12:31:26 PM PST by Democrap
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To: Democrap
The “attain goals” wording kind of needs a little explanation before I could go along with it.

Political goals.

For instance is a police officer turning on his red lights to pull over someone the officer believes is drunk driving a use of force, and if so is the officer using force that would be a use of force in the defense of rights or to attain a goal?

Defense of rights is the only legitimate use of government force. The goal is to defend rights. Government exists to defend rights.

My problem is I see most all use of force must have a goal so where are your perimeters?

Force is legitimate in defense of rights, not to make others do what you want them to do.

244 posted on 01/13/2003 12:39:37 PM PST by Protagoras
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