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Jackson: Illinois governor 'chose to end legal lynching'
AP | 1/12/03

Posted on 01/12/2003 1:02:10 PM PST by kattracks

NEW YORK (AP) -- The Rev. Jesse Jackson said Sunday that Illinois Gov. George Ryan "did an awesome thing" in commuting the sentences of 167 death-row inmates.

"He chose to fight the death machine," Jackson said in a sermon at a Manhattan church. "He chose to end legal lynching."

Some 200 congregants at the Judson Memorial Church in Greenwich Village applauded as Jackson compared Ryan to Pontius Pilate, who he said could have commuted Jesus' death sentence.

Ryan's mass commutation on Saturday was the sharpest blow to capital punishment since the U.S. Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional in 1972, forcing states to redraw their laws to make them more equitable.

Most of the 167 Illinois inmates will now serve life without parole.

Jackson, whose Rainbow/PUSH coalition is based in Chicago, was in New York for the group's annual Wall Street conference and made several public appearances throughout the city.

Copyright 2003 Associated Press. All rights reserved.


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To: kattracks
"He chose to fight the death machine," Jackson said in a sermon at a Manhattan church. "He chose to end legal lynching."

I notice that Jackson didn't touch upon the illegal lynchings that most of these death row inmates carried out against innocent people that caused them to end up on death row in the first place.

21 posted on 01/12/2003 2:21:22 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: Catspaw
NJ does (theoretically) have a death penalty. We had a Chief Justice who would twist the law into a pretzel in order to avoid imposing the penalty. For example, a parolee, who drove 3 penny nails into the skulls of two of his girlfriend's children, was spared; because Chief Justice Robert Wilentz ( yes, the son of the man who prosecuted the Lindbergh kidnapping case ! ) decided the prosecution had failed to prove " murderous intent" !!

A few years later, the Chief got his own death sentence - cancer - from which there was no appeal.

22 posted on 01/12/2003 2:30:27 PM PST by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey
My daughter lives in New Jersey and has said the same thing about the death penalty in New Jersey. I remember seeing the Jesse Timmendequas trial and seeing his legs quiver when he was sentenced to death for killing Megan Kanka. My kid said he'd die of old age before he was executed.
23 posted on 01/12/2003 2:45:03 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: genefromjersey
There's no such thing as life without parole. Most of the death penalty convictions overturned in the US have either been on technicalities and/or the death of witnesses after so many years. That same process that frees the guilty from death row is also used to free them from life without parole.

Execution is the only true final justice.

24 posted on 01/12/2003 2:55:08 PM PST by LenS
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To: Jhoffa_
Churches are allowed to discuss public policy issues. They just can't formally endorse candidates.

However there is a big double standard between liberal black churches and white evangelical churches. The ACLU closely monitors conservative churches for any IRS violations, yet turns a blind eye when black pastors tell their congregations to vote Democrat on Tuesday. In fact, it is quite common for Democratic politicians to campaign in black churches a few days before an election. To the ACLU, this isn't a violation of Church & State; it is community outreach.

If the Pubbies have any spine, they would hold hearings about the shady dealings of Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton, and demand IRS audits on these race hustlers.
25 posted on 01/12/2003 3:08:20 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: kattracks
Now that the death row inmates have be commuted, it will not be long before there is a push to give felons voting rights.
26 posted on 01/12/2003 3:28:49 PM PST by stars & stripes forever
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To: kattracks
Some 200 congregants at the Judson Memorial Church in Greenwich Village applauded as Jackson compared Ryan to Pontius Pilate, who he said could have commuted Jesus' death sentence.

Weird. And if he had, what would this have meant to Christianity?

Jackson doesn't think. He emotes.

27 posted on 01/12/2003 3:31:30 PM PST by Kevin Curry (Aging gracefully but not altogether happy about it)
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To: kattracks
Jackson is a fraud!
28 posted on 01/12/2003 3:51:17 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: anniegetyourgun
Here is what the Lutheran Confessions teach, on the basis of Holy Scripture, concerning the civil order and capital punishment. Notice that the Roman opponents did not disagree with what the Lutheran confessors had written in the Augsburg Confession. Both sides, the Lutherans and the Roman Catholics, approved of capital punishment. The current Bishop of Rome has departed from many centuries of Christian teaching when he now teaches against capital punishment.

The Apology of the Augsburg Confession, Article XVI: Of Political Order (1531):

The Sixteenth Article the adversaries receive without any exception, in which we have confessed that it is lawful for the Christian to bear civil office, sit in judgment, determine matters by the imperial laws, and other laws in present force, appoint just punishments, engage in just wars, act as a soldier . . . ; finally, that legitimate civil ordinances are good creatures of God and divine ordinances, which a Christian can use with safety. This entire topic concerning the distinction between the kingdom of Christ and a political kingdom has been explained to advantage in the literature of our writers, that the kingdom of Christ is spiritual . . . ; meanwhile it permits us outwardly to use legitimate political ordinances of every nation in which we live. . . . For the Gospel does not destroy the State or the family, but much rather approves them, and bids us obey them as a divine ordinance. . . . the Gospel does not introduce laws concerning the civil state, but is the remission of sins and the beginning of a new life in the hearts of believers; besides, it not only approves outward governments, but subjects us to them, Rom. 13, 1 . . . as divine ordinances. The Gospel forbids private redress. . . . Public redress, which is made through the office of the magistrate, is not advised against, but is commanded, and is a work of God, according to Paul, Rom. 13, 1 sqq. Now the different kinds of public redress are legal decisions, capital punishment, wars, military service.

The Large Catechism: The Fifth Commandment (1529):

Thou shalt not kill. . . . God and government are not included in this commandment, nor is the power to kill, which they have, taken away. For God has delegated His authority to punish evil-doers to the government. . . . Therefore, what is here forbidden is forbidden to the individual in his relation to any one else, and not to the government.

29 posted on 01/12/2003 5:11:07 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor)
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To: Charles Henrickson
As a traditional Catholic (i.e., one who rejects Vatican II and cleaves to the traditional Mass, Sacraments and Catechism), I would point out that the Catechism of the Council of Trent (ordered by St. Pius V, published by St. Charles Borromeo) clearly points out two exceptions to the Fifth Commandment: (1) killing animals for food; and (2) the state's right to carry out executions as the "legitimate avenger of crime".

You are right about the current Pontifex Maximus being personally opposed to the death penalty, which adherents to the "novus ordo" (which is Lutheran-Cranmerian in nature, not Catholic) pronounce to be authentic Church teaching, which, of course, it is not.
30 posted on 01/12/2003 5:43:09 PM PST by nd76
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To: kattracks
Is Reverend Shakedown not feeling well...'cause no way do "death machine" and "legal lynching" rhyme.
What an end-round the will of the people.
Once again clinton has lowered the standard for public servants.
If the death penalty is so abhorent, let's vote on it, and make a life sentence so bad they'll wish for something as humane as lethal injection.
31 posted on 01/12/2003 5:49:16 PM PST by Arkady
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To: kattracks
here's another article with some details on the soon-to-be ex-governor Ryan:

more info.

32 posted on 01/12/2003 6:02:19 PM PST by dogbrain
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To: mrustow
You didn't hear him say anything when Timothy McVeigh was executed. Or recently, in NYC, when the Wendy's Massacre killer was sentenced to death. The victims in the case were Black and their families demanded the death penalty for the killer. Jackson and Sharpton did not dare open their mouths against the death penalty being applied in that case.
33 posted on 01/12/2003 6:29:24 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: mrustow
Death penalty gains unusual defenders

USA TODAY ^ | 1/06/03 | Richard Willing

NEW YORK — Robert Blecker sat quietly as other professors ticked off their reasons for opposing the death penalty: It's unfair to blacks. It doesn't really deter crime. Innocent people could be executed.

But Blecker, a professor at New York Law School, was having none of it. When it was his turn to speak at the recent death-penalty forum at John Jay College, he summed up his support for executions in three words: "Barbara Jo Brown."

Blecker then launched into a staccato description of the 11-year-old Louisiana girl's slaying in 1981, how she was abducted, raped and tortured by a man who later was executed. The story drew gasps from a crowd accustomed to dealing in legal theories and academic formulas. "We know evil when we see it, and it's past time that we start saying so," Blecker said later. "When it comes to the death penalty, too many in academia can't face that."

For years, professors and civil rights leaders have led the charge against the death penalty, raising questions about its fairness that caused two states to suspend executions. But now death-penalty supporters have found some unlikely allies: a small but growing number of professors and social scientists who are speaking out in favor of the ultimate sanction.

Challenging themes that have been the foundation of the anti-death penalty movement, about a dozen professors and social scientists have produced unprecedented research arguing that the penalty deters crime. They also are questioning studies that say it is racially biased, and they are attacking one of the anti-death penalty movement's most effective talking points: that more than 100 people released from death row during the past 30 years were "innocent."

The researchers say that only about a third of those released from death row could show they were innocent of murder, and that the rest were released for other reasons, often legal technicalities. The researchers say that those convicts' names have remained on the "innocent" list to exaggerate the case against the death penalty.

The pro-death penalty researchers are still a tiny minority in U.S. academia, which Blecker guesses is "99%-plus" against executions. But the researchers are changing the nature of the death-penalty debate.

Justice Department lawyers have cited their work in legal briefs defending the death penalty. Republican senators have used the new research to try to stave off proposals to make it more difficult to execute inmates. Some death-penalty supporters, noting that more than two-thirds of Americans back capital punishment, say the research validates the views of a relatively silent majority.

And victims' rights groups that have felt excluded from the debate over executions say the professors give them moral support.

"It's been easy for the media to dismiss (death-penalty supporters) as just a rabble that wants to 'hang 'em all,' " says Dudley Sharp, resource director for Justice For All, a victims' rights group in Houston. "Now we've got research, respectability — things that have always been conceded to the other side. It's more of a real debate."

Some death-penalty foes say the new research is a desperate reaction to successful efforts to stop executions. "If the public wasn't concerned with (the possible execution of) innocents, if courts and the Congress and state legislatures weren't beginning to get involved again, (pro-death penalty academics) wouldn't be noticed," says Richard Dieter, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center, a group in Washington, D.C., that opposes capital punishment.

Fairness of executions questioned

Executions had been declining in the USA for years when states halted them in 1967, in anticipation of a Supreme Court ruling on whether death-penalty laws violated the constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment."

The court banned executions in 1972, ruling that the death penalty was being imposed arbitrarily. But the court reinstated the penalty four years later, backing new laws that guided judges and juries in imposing death sentences. Since then, more than 800 killers have been executed in the USA.

Soon after executions resumed, studies suggested that blacks were more likely than whites to receive death sentences, especially when their victims were white. Other studies compared murder rates in the 38 death-penalty states with lower rates in the 12 states that don't have the penalty, and concluded that capital punishment does not deter homicides.

In 1993, a U.S. House of Representatives panel led by a death-penalty foe, Rep. Don Edwards, D-Calif., found that 68 people had been released from wrongfully imposed death sentences during the previous 20 years. The report was the basis for the list of 102 "innocents" that anti-death penalty groups now promote.

The idea that innocent people had been sent to death rows across the nation was politically potent, and capital punishment foes exploited it. The Edwards list was taken over by the Death Penalty Information Center, which has added to the list 34 death-row inmates who have been exonerated. Among those were 12 who were freed by DNA tests done on evidence years after their convictions.

The center doesn't vouch for the validity of the initial 68 cases. To be added to the center's "innocents" list, a condemned inmate must have his conviction overturned and be acquitted at retrial. Ex-prisoners also are added to the list if prosecutors don't pursue a retrial.

The ongoing campaign against the death penalty has been effective. Analysts say it likely contributed to a dip in the still-strong public support for capital punishment. (Surveys in October said that about 70% of Americans back the death penalty, down from 80% in 1994.)

Meanwhile, the governors of Illinois and Maryland have suspended executions in their states to study whether the death penalty is being imposed fairly.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled last year that states cannot execute killers who are under 18 when they commit their crimes and that juries, not judges, must impose death sentences. In the latter case, Justice Stephen Breyer called studies of the death penalty's impact on deterring crime "inconclusive."

And last July, a U.S. district court judge here declared the federal death penalty unconstitutional, a decision that applied only in his court and that was appealed by the Justice Department. Judge Jed Rakoff based his ruling on research, including the list of 102 "innocents," that he said suggested there is a high risk that inmates could be wrongly executed. A U.S. appeals court panel reversed that ruling on Dec. 10, saying that the matter should be left to the U.S. Supreme Court. That decision, too, is likely to be appealed.

"There's no way to underestimate the importance of the innocence issue," Dieter says. "It's created an irresolvable concern on the part of the public."

How innocent are they?

But how innocent are the "innocents"?

Ward Campbell, a deputy attorney general in California, said in a study last year that at least 68 of the 102 ex-death row inmates on the "innocents" list don't belong there. Campbell says some on the list had their convictions reversed because of prosecutors' errors or misconduct but seem certain to have committed the crimes of which they were convicted. Others avoided retrials or were acquitted because witnesses died, evidence was excluded for legal reasons, or because they were in prison for similar crimes.

In some cases, death sentences were overturned because the convict was an accomplice, not the killer. Campbell found that nine "innocents" were exonerated because courts said the evidence against them was valid but did not establish guilt beyond a "reasonable doubt."

Eight of those on the list were not actually on death row when they were exonerated; two others never received a death sentence, Campbell said. In more than a dozen cases, death sentences were overturned only because later Supreme Court rulings invalidated a state's death-penalty statute.

For Campbell, a recent addition to the list shows the problem with its standards: Larry Osborne was convicted of breaking into a Louisville couple's home in 1997 and killing them. He won a new trial because the conviction was based in part on grand jury testimony from an accomplice who died before Osborne's trial. An appeals court said the testimony should not have been admitted as evidence because Osborne's lawyer could not cross-examine the dead witness. Osborne was acquitted in a second trial. He made the "innocents" list in August.

Dieter says convicts whose sentences have been overturned "truly are innocent, in the legal sense." A spokesman for Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., sponsor of a bill aimed at eliminating wrongful convictions, says that "quibbling over numbers" misses the point.

"Even the staunchest defenders of the status quo must admit that ... innocent people have been sent to death row," Leahy spokesman David Carle says.

Pro-death penalty professors say the number of innocents does matter.

"The idea that 100 innocent people have just missed execution has undermined the public's confidence" in the death penalty, says Barry Latzer, a political scientist at John Jay College. "If it's substantially fewer, it's not nearly as powerful a story."

Latzer and his colleagues are challenging death-penalty foes on other fronts as well.

John McAdams, a political science professor at Marquette University in Milwaukee, acknowledges that African-Americans appear to be overrepresented on death row, where they account for about 42% of the prisoners, compared with about 12% of the U.S. population. (Since 1977, 57% of those executed have been white; 35% have been black.)

McAdams notes the widely held belief that black defendants are more likely to receive the death penalty than whites convicted in similar slayings. But he says that doesn't take into account that blacks make up nearly 50% of all murder victims, and that all but a few are killed by other blacks. Blacks who kill blacks, he argues, are far less likely to get the death penalty than whites, blacks or Hispanics who kill whites.

"Why are the lives of black victims less valued?" McAdams asks. "There's a subtle kind of racism going on here, and it's got to do with the victims of crime, not how we treat the perpetrators." He realizes that his analysis has a provocative implication: that more black killers should be executed. He favors "more executions generally."

But fellow death-penalty supporter Blecker says that the death penalty should be reserved for the "worst of the worst, the ones almost everyone can agree are worthy."

Death-penalty supporters also say there is plenty of evidence that executions deter homicides.

A study last year by researchers at Emory University in Atlanta examined the nearly 6,000 death sentences imposed in the USA from 1977 through 1996. The authors compared changes in murder rates in 3,000 U.S. counties to the llikelihood of being executed for murder in that county. They found that murder rates declined in counties where capital punishment was imposed. The researchers said a statistical formula suggested that each execution saved the lives of 18 potential victims.

Recent studies at the University of Houston and at the University of Colorado at Denver had similar findings. Blecker, who is researching deterrence, says they square with what he found in interviews with 60 killers. "They are cognizant of whether they are operating in a death-penalty state before they pull the trigger," he says. "They're operating in the real world, not the realm of political theory."

To McAdams, the debate over deterrence is unnecessary. "If you execute a murderer and it stops other murders, you've saved innocent lives," he says. "And if it doesn't, you've executed a murderer. Where's the problem?"

Academics who back executions are gaining some acceptance. Senate Republicans countered Leahy's bill by citing research from pro-death penalty academics. The bill was approved by the Judiciary Committee but is stalled in the Senate.

Meanwhile, Blecker says he's getting asked to more academic conferences on the death penalty — usually as the only voice in favor. " 'A lion in a den of Daniels' is one way I've been introduced," he says.

34 posted on 01/12/2003 7:33:25 PM PST by GailA
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To: GailA
George Ryan is the very epitome of the feminization of America. No real man would ever stoop to this effeminate, cowardly level. Even his wife railed against him doing this. Perhaps she has more testosterone than he does.
35 posted on 01/12/2003 7:49:19 PM PST by tenthirteen
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To: grantswank
Here is Jesse Jackass, braying again.
36 posted on 01/12/2003 7:49:20 PM PST by Rollee
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To: Charles Henrickson
The Bible on the DP

Resource

Resource 2

37 posted on 01/12/2003 7:52:32 PM PST by GailA
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To: STD
Consider that it takes a murderer to know a murderer!

Another reason posting baked is a bad idea...

38 posted on 01/12/2003 8:55:38 PM PST by A.J.Armitage (WORK - OBEDIENCE - ORDER)
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To: tenthirteen
George Ryan is a crusty old bloated,corrupt political fat cat. I think he's a drunk too. He reminds me of Boris Yeltsin.
39 posted on 01/12/2003 9:10:45 PM PST by virgil
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To: Jhoffa_
Issue advocacy is not verboten to 501(c)(3) [or whatever they call it] churches.
40 posted on 01/12/2003 9:13:52 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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