Jackson: Illinois governor 'chose to end legal lynching'

AP | 1/12/03

[BenR2]

Well. This pretty well ices it for me: If Jesse says what Ryan did was a good thing, then -- well, it wasn't!

[HiTech RedNeck]

Jesus answered, "You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above. . . ."

You can't prove that from that. The crucifixion of Christ, from the earthly point of view, was a lynch job pure and simple, and Pilate as one who must answer to God as does all earthly government, had NO legitimate business ordering it. The "authority" in this context is the same as the "authority" given the devil... i.e. permission.

[BenR2]

Another reason posting baked is a bad idea...

LOL. Good one!

[Jhoffa_]

Well, I never heard of Jackson or Sharpton being hounded or told to "watch it" as I have other churches. And they appear on the nightly news with their rantings.

Please don't misunderstand. It's not that I want politics off limits in Church, I just sense a little disparity here.

[Charles Henrickson]

The crucifixion of Christ, from the earthly point of view, was a lynch job pure and simple, and Pilate, as one who must answer to God as does all earthly government, had NO legitimate business ordering it.

Oh, I agree. Of course. However, the fact that a God-given authority can be abused does not mean that the authority has not been given. There is an old saying in theology: Abusus non tollit sed confirmat substantiam. "The abuse does not destroy but confirms the substance." A rogue cop who wrongly uses deadly force, a deranged soldier who commits a massacre--they are abusing their God-given authority. Even so, that does not do away with the proper use of that authority to wield the sword--whether by policemen or soldiers or a Roman governor or an American criminal justice system.

And I agree that the one passage I cited, John 19:10-11, does not speak directly to the issue of capital punishment. But Jesus there does indirectly acknowledge that the state does have the God-given authority to put to death.

The other passage I cited, Romans 13:3-4, speaks more directly to the God-given authority of government to carry out capital punishment. It is the locus classicus on the subject.

[Godel]

Actually, if a white and black person commit the same crime, the white person is MORE likely to be put to death. The overrepresentation of blacks on death row is caused by their vastly higher overrepresentation in COMMITTING THE CRIMES. I find it a sick commentary on our society that we heap scorn and hatred on the people who are disproportionately victimized by these criminals, not the one who actually commit the crimes.

[mrustow]

Thanks for the great post; gutsy reporter, that fellow.

[kcvl]

The ACLU closely monitors conservative churches for any IRS violations, yet turns a blind eye when black pastors tell their congregations to vote Democrat on Tuesday.

And with YOUR help we can all monitor Democrats in all churches. If they are going to complain so am I. If it's good enough for one party then it's good enough for all parties to appear in churches. They either shut up or apply their "standards" equally.

To contact one of their little natzis...

Americans United for Separation of Church and State

Email:
Donya Khalili
khalili@au.org

Barry Lynn
AU Executive Director

Rob Boston
AU Assistant Director of Communications

[HiTech RedNeck]

But Jesus there does indirectly acknowledge that the state does have the God-given authority to put to death.

I guess if one wanted to read that into the passage they could. It's moot to the meaning of the passage.

The Romans passage is, yes, the basis of a much better argument that the Lord endorses some kind of role for executions in civil rule. Exactly what degree of "evildoing" that should be for, can be debated. Romans sometimes used that "sword" to execute offenders for thefts, that is if they escaped crucifixion.

[Caipirabob]

Jackson: Illinois governor 'chose to end legal lynching'

I suppose this indicates that it is now safe for the "Rev-Rund" to finally turn over his long awaited tax forms.

[Charles Henrickson]

Shaming Governor Ryan (Caption these pics)

[Godel]

Too bad Jackson doesn't care about the whites who were 'illegally lynched' by black criminals, and are now deprived of justice. The criminals had a trial by a jury of their peers and a just sentence was meted out.

[BillyBoy]

>> NJ does (theoretically) have a death penalty. We had a Chief Justice who would twist the law into a pretzel in order to avoid imposing the penalty. For example, a parolee, who drove 3 penny nails into the skulls of two of his girlfriend's children, was spared; because Chief Justice Robert Wilentz decided the prosecution had failed to prove " murderous intent" <<

OMG, they've started cloning George Ryan and placing him in other states.