Foul-mouthed maverick changed the art of war

New Zealand Herald ^ | 12/30/02 | ROGER FRANKLIN

[yoe]

If Donald Rumsfeld is really listening, I am greatly relieved. Let us pray he is.

[Valin]

For what ever it's worth Dick Cheney is a big John Boyd Fan.
During the gulf war he brought Col. Boyd to the pentagon to help plan the ground attack. CentComs plan was High diddle diddle straight up the middle, into the teath of the Iraqi defence.

[Imal]

I think there must be more to his story though, just not brought forth in this article.

How right you are! When I first saw this article, I had never heard of the man. So I've been poking around the 'Net and finding out more about Col. Boyd. As I have done so, my estimation of this remarkable American has grown exponentially.

I strongly recommend that you find out more about Col. John R. Boyd. Among other things, you'll discover that his "Energy-Maneuverability Theory" was used not only in the design of the F-16 (which rightly or wrongly you disparage) but also the F-15, which you so rightly praise.

But I am coming to believe that his greatest contributions to America have much less to do with aircraft design or air combat tactics per se than military strategy as a whole.

It has only taken me a few hours of study to conclude with confidence that Colonel John R. Boyd was, beyond all doubt, a military genius of tremendous historical significance.

[Arkie2]

Thanks. I thought there must be more. This particular article represents a very poor summary of his talents and achievement if what you say is correct.

[Imal]

Thank you very much for posting the title article and the additional information.

I am now studying Col. Boyd's work with the delight of discovering something of great value that I had long overlooked.

[Imal]

This particular article represents a very poor summary of his talents and achievement if what you say is correct.

I urge you to see for yourself. Just follow some of Valin's links and do a few Google searches. There's a wealth of solid information out there. A good source is Boyd and Military Strategy.

Check out Col. Boyd and his legacy. You will not regret it!

[Pelham]

But without his influence, the US would almost certainly be preparing to enter Iraq much as it fled Saigon: a vast, muscle-bound killing machine based on the assumption that big budgets and expensive weapons assured victory.

It doesn't sound to me like he knew all that much about Vietnam. Far from being "muscle-bound", the number of combat troops was remarkably small. From 35,000-50,000, even at the height when we had 500,000 people there. Small stinger with a long tail. The problem was a lack of strategic plan at the political level, little to do with equipment or procurement.

[VOA]

I was deeply saddened to learn of the passing of Colonel John Boyd, USAF (Ret).
How does one begin to pay homage to a warrior like John Boyd?...(big snip)...
That ancient book of wisdom—Proverbs—sums up John’s contribution to his nation:
" A wise man is strong, and a man of knowledge adds to his strength; for by wise
guidance you will wage your war, and there is victory in a multitude of counselors."*
I, and his Corps of Marines, will miss our counselor terribly.

C.C. Krulak General,
U. S. Marine Corps
Commandant of the Marine Corps


As a civilian (and speaking to civilian posters/lurkers), when a fellow like
Krulak (who as appeared on "Focus On The Family") gives this sort of praise
to a brilliant, foul-mouthed genius...
IMHO, it's a sign the genius far out-shone the profanities.....

The thing that does bother me about all this post-mortem praise for Boyd?
The bad guys will hear about him and start studying his doctrines in earnest...

[Pelham]

The quote is attributed to Nathan Bedford Forrest, who said something of that sort. The funny thing is he rarely had "the mostest", but he surely hit hard and fast with what he did have.

[Pelham]

I've heard the B-2 is able to hit 16 separate targets on one pass.

[Hobo anonymous]

As you recall, the F-16 could not be armed with laser guided munitions "back in the day". Thus it had to drop the vintage "dumb bombs". Thats changed now. The F-16 has been modified to drop both XAGM laser guided weapons and JDAM. The F-16 will be the backbone of any air campaign into Iraq.

Plus, the Israelis prefer the F-16 as their air combat craft of choice. They have some of the best pilots in the world, greater or on par to our Naval aviators.

What you say is true, and you know as well as I do that the F-16 will seriously clear some house when we introduce it back into Iraq.

[B4Ranch]

Boyd's techniques are known the world over. Our pilots hopefully have the best instructors.

[Hobo anonymous]

True, the F-15E is a better plane. BUT, the F-16 is just as lethal. Low cost, multi-role, fast, maneuverable (the plane can shoot itself) and hard to see.

From what I understand, the Airforce operatres more F-16's than F-15s, which give you greater mobilty. Not all F-15c's have been configured for Air-to-ground combat either, thus the E (Strike Eagle) designation.

The USAF is improving upon the Falcons design. An example of this would be the "Super Falcon", which incorporates thrust vectoring into the design.


F-16, a piece of crap? The F-16 is the plane of choice for the Israelis, whom sent MANY F-15's to their graves in air-to-air (dog fighting) combat simulations against U.S. pilots. Israeli pilots are the best in the world, mainly because they are always in action. The weapon of choice? The F-16.

Japan also operates the F-16 J, upgraded variant of the Falcon.

NASA &Drayden have been working on the F-15 ACTIVE, which in my opinion, is just plain awesome. High altitude canards and thrust vectoring, pfew. One crazy ride.

[Hobo anonymous]

I like your thinking!

[SoCal Pubbie]

Finally I find someone on FreeRepublic who doesn't want to just dump on the Sherman tank. Sure, they were outclassed by the bigger German designs but they were much more reliable and up to par with the German types below the Tiger or Panther. The fact that logistically alone it would have been impossible for the United States to have designed, built, and shipped tanks like the Panther doesn't phase them, they just look at the stat sheet and say the Sheman sucked!

[AFCdt]

All of those aircraft you just described were just technology demonstrators, using 'old' F-16 and F-15 airframes.

In fact, the current plan is to send most of the active duty F-16s to the Guard, to replace their older model F-16s. The active force will then get the Joint Strike Fighter, idiotically designated the F-35.

Likewise, some of the air superiority F-15Cs will go the Guard, replaced by the, again stupidly designated, F/A-22, which will begin squadron service in the 1st Fighter Wing in 2005.

I expect the active force will hold on to the F-15Es for a while.

Who knows, with the sometimes crazy budget priorities, they may just end up buying lots of Stryker infantry combat vehicles and Virginia class nuclear attack submarines. While the Air Force is left with tankers and bombers built in the 60s, and fighters built in the 70s.

[Mo1]

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[Leisler]

Not to mention that because of the numbers of Shermans, our infantry had way, way more armored support against troublesome obstacles than German infantry. Some tanks, and fair tanks are way better then no really good tanks.

If I recall correctly, Sherman vs. German armor, the Shermans did quite well by having enough to engage the Germans, and then send more around to outmaneuver the German armor, leaving a choice of abandoning their position or be hit from behind or the sides.

[Brian Allen]

Cannot speak for and/or about today's Air Force but I interact lots with frontline Naval Aviators and they -- and their MO, talent and tactics are superb!