Casual sex finds a cool new position

The Sunday Times ^ | January 12, 2003 | Naomi Wolf

[IncPen]

Naomi Wolf...wasn't that Al Gore's advisor?

Advisor? Friend, she was his manhood...

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[TigersEye]

For a brief shining moment, the self — the freedom to be a self, a soul in a body — was still in there with the sexuality.

Only in your mind, Naomi. And only for a moment.

Is this sexually egalitarian mechanoworld liberation? Is it for this that people smuggled Tropic of Cancer into America? To replace hypocrisy and prudishness with full-access, full-frontal mechanics and clinical detachment?

Liberation? Yes, from personal responsibility.

And when it comes to women — is this what we had a sexual revolution for? Is it a feminist victory to have young women without shame if they also have no depth to their erotic sense of self? It depends on what you thought the goals of the feminist and sexual revolution were supposed to have been.

What did you think it was for, Naomi? What did you think the goals were? Where did you think sex without attachment or responsibility would lead? It wasn't just 'the pill' that gave you this liberation but abortion. The 'womans choice' you so shrilly demanded. The temple of sex without encumbrances built upon a mountain of tiny corpses. And now you wonder why these kids look at sex like just another bodily function like pinching the morning loaf.

Underneath all this right-on forthrightness, I sense a kind of sadness and numbness.

What you sense is the pain in your own heart now that you've let a little light in and noticed for once where your path has led you. Where you've led these kids. Sex is not love, Naomi, and FWIW there's a lot more to sex than 'full frontal mechanics' too. You're married now, live a little.

[IncPen]

If someone like that is appalled by the immorality she found then how appalled would us lot be?

I read it as a celebration of immorality, rather than a lament...

[BlazingArizona]

Naomi has been watching HBO too much.

...Or BBC America.

[tanknetter]

Besides all the other great point that have been made already, one of the things that really gets me is how Ms. Wolf is lecturing the "younger" generation about the wrongness of sex without "meaning" (which is the point I think she's trying to make) ...

... just as she was probably herself lectured by the "older" generation about the wrongness of sex without marriage.

Maybe someone should point out to Naomi that she's starting to sound exactly like her parents (or grandparents) did 20-30 years ago. It would also be interesting to see if someone could dig up an old opinion piece of hers (there's bound to be one out there somewhere) where she lectures the "older" generation about not applying "their" morality to her generation ...

[supercat]

Close women friends of mine have found casual dates and lovers — interestingly, not husbands — on the net.

I know of at least one woman who found a husband on the net. Knew her rather intimately in fact, from the day she married 'til the day she died. Doubt she ever would have found the man she married without the Internet, even though he only lived a few miles away.

[BrucefromMtVernon]

Why not do without television altogether? I quit cold turkey at the age of 21. Most TV is utter slime and filth and foul lies.

[Blue Collar Christian]

Does this mean the hippies were wrong, but this current generation is wronger?

[Howlin]

ROFLMAO!

[an amused spectator]

I've seen you around here. Excellent observation, and pretty much what I thought.

[DBtoo]

I've thought about doing without it altogether. I like to have a news channel though. It is a lot of money for junk, and I hardly watch it anymore because there's nothing good on. Too bad we can't just pay $5 a month for a news chanel, although the lies and distortions they put out make me angry.

[ExSoldier]

"I say...'Yeah, if you want HIV..get a freakin' grip on reality!!"

If you'll read the great book by Bernard Goldberg "BIAS" and another excellent work called "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS" you'll discover that unless you're having sex with IV Drug Users or homosexual/bisexual men, you don't have much of a chance of getting HIV. Yes the disease no matter how CNN lies...is pretty much a threat only to the gay community. The liberals hate this...they know for them to get any funding for AIDS research, the whole world has GOT to believe that the Grim Reaper is going to come slithering down their street and turn into their driveway in the form of the hated AIDS virus just any moment. Sorry it isn't so. Does anybody here on FR even personally KNOW an AIDS victim except for maybe the hapless gay guy at work who's just "out?" NOT ME. Yet on Oprah just a few years ago she predicted that AIDS would infect 1 of every 5 people in this country by the year 2000! Has that happened? NOPE.

Read those books they will make you SO ANGRY at the liberals for deliberately wreaking such an outrageous LIE on the American public.

[mrustow]

The self is not the soul. Wolf and the original sexual revolutionists were trying to cloak their narcissism with metaphysical significance. The sexual revolution never had any room for love. The young people Wolf is criticizing are indistinguishable from their 1970s forerunners.

Actually, this whole post is based on a big misunderstanding. I thought this thread might have something randy for me to spring on the wife.

[Elsie]

Ya.. but you had it BACKWARDS!


Galatians 6:7-8
7. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

[NYpeanut]

Right you are.

They are right wing, but they are right.

High-test idiot alert.

[johnb838]

The left-wings favorite joke: "Yeah, he's right -- FAR right." Hahaha... so funny.

People say 911 changed everything -- could there be an element of 'let us eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die" going on?

[ArtDodger]

Another Ultra-Leftist who promotes the Anything-Goes lifestyle, then finds the results "disturbing".

[AppyPappy]

Naomi never heard of AIDS.

[Thebaddog]

I think that Naomi is married to that new NYT editorial writer.