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To: anobjectivist
If you make narcotics legal

And, if you made bank robberies legal, no one would be killed in the attempt of a bank robbery. The Netherlands has extremely liberal drug laws & their public parks are LOADED with addicts shooting up under the shade tree, and leaving their hypos behind. Legalization is not the way.

14 posted on 01/11/2003 11:22:39 AM PST by Puppage
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To: Puppage
No, legalization isn't, IMHO, the way. Giving each drug addict a card from the Board of Health allowing him to get his fix from the Board of Health for on premises consumption at cost is. The incentive to push drugs would immedialtely disappear and we'd be on the way, over time, to almost entirely eliminating drug addiction in America. To those who say this makes it easier for someone to remain an addict instead of shaking the habit all I can say is that's too bad. I'm only concerned about those who haven't thrown their lives away and in preventing the victimization of others by drug addicts who have chosen to destroy themselves. Nobody can save someone from himself - the sooner that's understood the better.
17 posted on 01/11/2003 11:48:09 AM PST by caltrop
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To: Puppage
I have known this for a while. If you make narcotics legal, the price will become so low and the manufacturing of these drugs will become such a part of america that "drug countries" and a lot of the filth our nation sees will no longer exist.
What historically seems to be the easiest way to make a product go up in value? Make it illegal. And with the money there and with the presence of organization, crime goes up and the number of solutions goes down. #3 -AO-

And, if you made bank robberies legal, no one would be killed in the attempt of a bank robbery. The Netherlands has extremely liberal drug laws & their public parks are LOADED with addicts shooting up under the shade tree, and leaving their hypos behind.

Read much? AO addresses that point, "a lot of the filth our nation sees will no longer exist." Refute his point, instead of making silly comparisons beween robbery & drug 'crime'.

Legalization is not the way.

'Drugs' were 'legal' for most of US history. - They have been prohibited by unconstituional methods, which point you refuse to acknowledge. Are you a socialist, or a conservative?
-- You cannot be a 'conservative' prohibitionist.

19 posted on 01/11/2003 12:02:57 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Puppage
What else do you know about the Netherlands? Correct me if I'm wrong, but they are pretty socialistic up there where you can get paid plenty for doing nothing.

As far as bank robberies, making them legal would violate even the most basic of human rights, so your reductio ad absurdium need not apply here.
55 posted on 01/11/2003 3:46:53 PM PST by anobjectivist
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To: Puppage
Have you been to the Netherlands, seen these parks littered with addicts and hypos? Have you been to similar parks here in the US? They both exist, as do parks full of homosexuals in various stages of sexually activity. If we have parks full of these sorts of people now, why bemoan the drugs? Tell the police to clean them up. Roust the vagrants, arrest them, make them so uncomfortable as to not do the activity. I personally believe, that this hypothetical park(s) in the Netherlands, is an overstated bit of propaganda. Brought out to continue the scare tactics of the Drug Warriors. Public intoxication is not tolerated in any society, that would not change if drugs were decriminalized.
93 posted on 01/12/2003 10:11:04 AM PST by jeremiah
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To: Puppage
The Netherlands has extremely liberal drug laws & their public parks are LOADED with addicts shooting up under the shade tree, and leaving their hypos behind.

The Dutch have exchanged the drug war and all it's problems and expense for a littering problem in a small defined area. Good trade.

161 posted on 01/13/2003 8:48:19 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Puppage
And, if you made bank robberies legal, no one would be killed in the attempt of a bank robbery. The Netherlands has extremely liberal drug laws & their public parks are LOADED with addicts shooting up under the shade tree, and leaving their hypos behind. Legalization is not the way.

How about decriminalization, but (as with alcohol) strict enforcement of laws broken as a result of the activity. Public imbibing = shooting up/toking in a public place; public drunkenness = public narcotic intoxication; impaired driving (regrdless of cause of impairment), etc. Tax the stuff and limit the use of the taxes to repairing the damage it causes; any excess to reduce the public debt.

No, I don't want a horde of stoned individuals staggering around my streets, but the same goes for drunks!

405 posted on 01/17/2003 9:33:00 AM PST by JimRed
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