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Connecting the War on Guns & Drugs [my title]
SHOTGUN NEWS ^ | 1/11/03 | Amicus Populi

Posted on 01/11/2003 10:15:11 AM PST by tpaine

Ms. Nancy Snell Swickard - Publisher Shotgun News P. O. Box 669, Hastings, NE 68902

Dear Ms. Swickard,

I was very distressed to see the remark of one of your subscribers which you quoted on page 8 of your October 1 (1996) issue. The support of the "Drug War" by anyone who values the 2nd Amendment, and the rest of the Bill of Rights, is the most dangerous error of thinking in the politics of the "gun control" debate. This error is extremely widespread, although there have been some recent signs that some Americans are seeing through the propaganda of the Drug Warriors which affects all levels of our society.

Sadly, major players in the defense of the 2nd Amendment (like the NRA) show no signs of awareness of the part played by the Drug War in our present hysteria over violence. This is a serious error, because the violence produced by the Drug War is one of the main reasons that a majority of American citizens support gun control. Without the majority of a citizenry frightened by endemic violence, Mr. Clinton and his allies in the Congress would not enjoy the power they now possess to attack the Bill of Rights.

To understand the effect of the Drug War, we must understand it for what it is: the second Prohibition in America in this Century. I do not need to remind anyone who knows our recent history what a disaster the first Prohibition was. It is a classic example of the attempt to control a vice--drunkenness--by police power. It made all use of alcohol a case of abuse. It produced such an intense wave of violence that it gave a name--The Roaring Twenties--to an entire decade. It lead to the establishment of powerful criminal empires, to widespread corruption in police and government, and to a surge of violence and gunfire all over the land. And it produced a powerful attack on the Bill of Rights, including the most successful campaign of gun control laws in America up to that time.

Before the first Prohibition criminalized the trade in alcohol, liquor dealers were ordinary businessmen; after 1920 they were all violent criminals fighting for their territories. We had gang wars, and drive-by shootings, and the use of machine guns by criminals.

We now have the same effects of the first Prohibition in the present Drug War, and Americans appear to be sleepwalking through it with no apparent understanding of what is happening. It is testimony to the truth of Santayana's famous remark that those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it. We must understand that this has all happened before, and for the same reasons.

It is essential that defenders of the 2nd Amendment understand that the whole Bill of Rights is under attack by the Drug War, and that assaults on the 2nd Amendment are a natural part of that trend. What is the main premise of a gun-control law? It is that guns are implements which are too dangerous to entrust to the citizenry. What is the main premise of Drug Prohibition? It is that drugs are substances which are too dangerous to entrust to the citizenry. Both lines of reasoning say that because a few people abuse something, all Americans must be treated like children or irresponsibles. All use is abuse.

This is an extremely dangerous idea for a government, and it leads inevitably to tyranny. It is a natural consequence that such thinking will lead to attacks on the Bill of Rights, because that is the chief defense in the Constitution against abuses of government power.

Since the beginning of the Drug War, no article of the Bill of Rights has been spared from attack. There has been an enormous increase in police power in America, with a steady erosion of protections against unreasonable search and seizure, violations of privacy, confiscation of property, and freedom of speech. We have encouraged children to inform on their parents and we tolerate urine tests as a condition of employment for anyone. All who question the wisdom of Drug Prohibition are immediately attacked and silenced. These are all violations of the Bill of Rights. Are we surprised when the 2nd Amendment is attacked along with the others?

We understand that opponents of the 2nd Amendment exaggerate the dangers of firearms and extrapolate the actions of deranged persons and criminals to all gun owners. That is their method of propaganda. Do we also know that Drug Warriors exaggerate the hazards of drug use--"all use is abuse'--in the same way formerly done with alcohol, and extrapolate the condition of addicts to all users of drugs? That is their method of propaganda. Most Americans are convinced by both arguments, and both arguments depend on the public's ignorance. That is why discussion and dissent is inhibited.

Most Americans are moving to the idea that drugs and guns are evil and should be prohibited. Encouraging one way of thinking supports the other because the logic of the arguments is the same.

Why not prohibit a dangerous evil? If every drinker is a potential alcoholic, every drug-user a future addict, and every gun-owner a potential killer, why not ban them all? There is no defense against this logic except to challenge the lies that sit at the root of the arguments. Those are the lies promoted by the prevailing propaganda in support of all Prohibition. We cannot oppose one and support the other. To do so undermines our efforts because all these movements walk on the same legs.

If we do not explain to people that the fusillade of gunfire in America, the return to drive-by shooting, and our bulging prisons, come from the criminalizing of commerce in illegal drugs, we cannot expect them to listen to a plea that we must tolerate some risk in defense of liberty.

Why should we tolerate, for the sake of liberty, the risk of a maniac shooting a dozen people, when we cannot tolerate the risk that a drug-user will become an addict?

In fact, very few gun-owners are mass murderers and a minority of drug-users are addicts, but people are easily persuaded otherwise and easily driven to hysteria by exaggerating dangers. What addict would be a violent criminal if he could buy his drug from a pharmacy for its real price instead of being driven to the inflated price of a drug smuggler? How many cigarette smokers would become burglars or prostitutes if their habits cost them $200 per day? How many criminal drug empires could exist if addicts could buy a drug for its real cost? And, without Prohibition, what smuggler's territory would be worth a gang war? And why isn't this obvious to all of us?

It is because both guns and drugs have become fetishes to some people in America. They blame guns and drugs for all the intractable ills of society, and they never rest until they persuade the rest of us to share their deranged view of the evil power in an inanimate object.

They succeed, mainly, by lies and deception. They succeed by inducing the immediate experience of anxiety and horror by the mere mention of the words: Guns! Drugs! Notice your reactions. Once that response is in place, it is enough to make us accept any remedy they propose. An anxious person is an easy mark. They even persuade us to diminish the most precious possession of Americans, the one marveled at by every visitor and cherished by every immigrant, and the name of which is stamped on every coin we mint--Liberty. They say that liberty is just too dangerous or too expensive. They say we will have to do with less of it for our own good. That is the price they charge for their promise of our security.

Sincerely,

Amicus Populi


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To: tpaine
Simply because hard drugs are prohibited does not, in no way, mean that unconstitutional searches and seizures will take place. If you are caught selling, go to jail. If you are caught buying, go to treatment or jail. If you are caught (in a constitutional manner such as probable cause and warrant) possessing then you go to jail or treatment. Nothing unconstitutional.
441 posted on 01/18/2003 12:30:20 PM PST by Texaggie79 (seriously joking or jokingly serious, you decide)
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To: Texaggie79
--- smoking crack in a community isn't a human right?
If you lived off in your own land, on an island, perhaps, it's your right, --
-- but you don't have that right when in a state where your fellow citizens are threatened by your activity.
437 -ta79-

You have a real problem with logic.
The reasonable regulation of dangerous substances are permissible by states. -- This is a given.
Outright prohibitions on 'dangerous' property by any level of government, have been well demonstrated on this thread as being against the very principles of our free republic, & our constitution.

Your inability to acknowlege that this fact works against your own freedom is telling.
Only fanatics for a 'cause' are so blind. What is your cause aggie?
-- Are you rational enough to tell us, to explain?

442 posted on 01/18/2003 12:30:59 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Outright prohibitions on 'dangerous' property by any level of government, have been well demonstrated on this thread

Question begging isn't demonstrating. You have yet produce so much as a single case, law or authority of any kind in support of your bogus assertion.

And you never will.

443 posted on 01/18/2003 12:33:43 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Your attempts to play word games with the issue are truly pitiful.
Get real or get lost.
444 posted on 01/18/2003 12:34:24 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Texaggie79
Liberals make equivalent arguments for guns and drugs. The drug legalization fanatics make equivalent arguments for guns and drugs.

Blind fanaticism yields useful idiots.

445 posted on 01/18/2003 12:40:33 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
NO cites, ever. Beg, beg, beg.
446 posted on 01/18/2003 12:41:18 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
High crime justifies ever more effort to control society

And if there is no crime...by Jove, we'll INVENT one! (Smokers kill those around them, babies are dying because parents smoke, workers smoke the equivalent of 8 packs of cigarettes in an 8 hour shift, etc., ad nauseum.)

And then there's Charlton Heston, who backed Robber Reiner's obscene money-grab in Kookiefornia, even after he KNEW Reiner was lying and admitted it, because he is as blinded by smoke as any of the other busybody meddlers.

After that, I have little use for the NRA, though I wish them well in their fight. Any organization I support now with my hard-earned money MUST understand and support private property rights and individual liberties.

447 posted on 01/18/2003 12:42:12 PM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: Roscoe
Slavery was a matter of state, not federal, law. Read a book.
440 -roscoe-

Read the constitution, 'the law of the land' refutes your silly claim.
In any case, slavery was used as an example of how congress & courts can be wrong on basic principles. Thus, your 'point' is just another dodge & an attempt to divert the issue.
448 posted on 01/18/2003 12:45:35 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Read the constitution, 'the law of the land' refutes your silly claim.

I'll call that cheap bluff. Quote it.

449 posted on 01/18/2003 12:47:34 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Texaggie79
No, tex, your amazing claims that ALL land in the U.S. is owned by FedGov. Please cite that claim.
450 posted on 01/18/2003 12:55:48 PM PST by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
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To: Roscoe
Outright prohibitions on 'dangerous' property by any level of government, have been well demonstrated on this thread


You have yet produce so much as a single case, law or authority of any kind in support of your bogus assertion. -roscoe lies-

Our constitution and its supporters have been amply quoted. You are simply in denial as to the facts of the issue.
451 posted on 01/18/2003 12:57:18 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
Yes, but only with FedGov permission and the use and possession of unapproved substances is subject to getting the user either killed in a botched raid or sent to gooberment rape camps. Even NON-users/possessors are endangered, as we frequently see. You are aware of this and applaud it. You are a large part of the problem. Eventually the problem will be resolved, period.
452 posted on 01/18/2003 1:04:24 PM PST by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
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To: Roscoe
Art I Sec 9
Art. IV Sec 2.
453 posted on 01/18/2003 1:07:59 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Art I Sec 9

No support for your false assertion there, which is why you couldn't bring yourself to quote it. In fact, Art I Sec 9, disproves your entire thread.

The Constitution contains one, and ONLY one, limit on prohibitory laws.

Article. I., Section. 9., Clause 1: The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

The Founding Fathers weren't idiots. Poor tpaine.
454 posted on 01/18/2003 1:15:26 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
Art. IV Sec 2.

Which also disproves your assertion.

Article. IV., Section. 2.,Clause 3: No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

Under the STATE laws, not federal law. Unbelievable ignorance.

455 posted on 01/18/2003 1:19:53 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Texaggie79
Unconstitutional search and seizures are not permissible by any government.
Prohibition of dangerous substances are permissible by states.
-ta79-

You have a real problem with logic.
The reasonable regulation of dangerous substances are permissible by states. -- This is a given.
Outright prohibitions on 'dangerous' property by any level of government, have been well demonstrated on this thread as being against the very principles of our free republic, & our constitution.
Your inability to acknowlege that this fact works against your own freedom is telling.
Only fanatics for a 'cause' are so blind. What is your cause aggie?
-- Are you rational enough to tell us, to explain?
438 tpaine


Simply because hard drugs are prohibited does not, in no way, mean that unconstitutional searches and seizures will take place. If you are caught selling, go to jail. If you are caught buying, go to treatment or jail. If you are caught (in a constitutional manner such as probable cause and warrant) possessing then you go to jail or treatment. Nothing unconstitutional.
441 ta79

As I've said before aggie, your defense of prohibitionary laws, -- laws on drugs, guns, - whatever the 'dangerous property' is alleged to be, boggles the rational mind.
These laws are unconstitutional by our basic principles, thus any action to enforce them are unconstitutional.
Only fanatics for a 'cause' are so blind. What is your cause aggie?
-- Are you rational enough to tell us, to explain?


456 posted on 01/18/2003 1:27:06 PM PST by tpaine
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To: dcwusmc
Yes, but only with FedGov permission

Is there a point to your point?

457 posted on 01/18/2003 1:41:58 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Slavery was a matter of state, not federal, law. Read a book.
440 -roscoe-

Read the constitution, 'the law of the land' refutes your silly claim.
In any case, slavery was used as an example of how congress & courts can be wrong on basic principles. Thus, your 'point' is just another dodge & an attempt to divert the issue.
448 tpaine

I'll call that cheap bluff. Quote it.
449 -roscoe-

Art I Sec 9:

No support for your false assertion there, which is why you couldn't bring yourself to quote it. In fact, Art I Sec 9, disproves your entire thread.
The Constitution contains one, and ONLY one, limit on prohibitory laws.

Article. I., Section. 9., Clause 1: The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

The law of the land, supported by congress & the USSC, clearly has laws on the matter of slavery.

Poor roscoe. Wrong again

458 posted on 01/18/2003 1:42:05 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
Slavery was a matter of state, not federal, law. Read a book.
440 -roscoe-

Read the constitution, 'the law of the land' refutes your silly claim.
In any case, slavery was used as an example of how congress & courts can be wrong on basic principles. Thus, your 'point' is just another dodge & an attempt to divert the issue.
448 tpaine

I'll call that cheap bluff. Quote it.
449 -roscoe-


Article. I., Section. 9., Clause 1: The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.


Article. IV., Section. 2.,Clause 3: No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

The law of the land, supported by congress & the USSC, clearly has laws on the matter of slavery.

Poor roscoe. -- Aways wrong.

459 posted on 01/18/2003 1:46:25 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
clearly has laws on the matter of slavery.

Quote one. Slavery was a matter of state regulation.

Article. IV., Section. 2.,Clause 3: No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

Shot yourself in the foot again.

460 posted on 01/18/2003 1:51:38 PM PST by Roscoe
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