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Connecting the War on Guns & Drugs [my title]
SHOTGUN NEWS ^ | 1/11/03 | Amicus Populi

Posted on 01/11/2003 10:15:11 AM PST by tpaine

Ms. Nancy Snell Swickard - Publisher Shotgun News P. O. Box 669, Hastings, NE 68902

Dear Ms. Swickard,

I was very distressed to see the remark of one of your subscribers which you quoted on page 8 of your October 1 (1996) issue. The support of the "Drug War" by anyone who values the 2nd Amendment, and the rest of the Bill of Rights, is the most dangerous error of thinking in the politics of the "gun control" debate. This error is extremely widespread, although there have been some recent signs that some Americans are seeing through the propaganda of the Drug Warriors which affects all levels of our society.

Sadly, major players in the defense of the 2nd Amendment (like the NRA) show no signs of awareness of the part played by the Drug War in our present hysteria over violence. This is a serious error, because the violence produced by the Drug War is one of the main reasons that a majority of American citizens support gun control. Without the majority of a citizenry frightened by endemic violence, Mr. Clinton and his allies in the Congress would not enjoy the power they now possess to attack the Bill of Rights.

To understand the effect of the Drug War, we must understand it for what it is: the second Prohibition in America in this Century. I do not need to remind anyone who knows our recent history what a disaster the first Prohibition was. It is a classic example of the attempt to control a vice--drunkenness--by police power. It made all use of alcohol a case of abuse. It produced such an intense wave of violence that it gave a name--The Roaring Twenties--to an entire decade. It lead to the establishment of powerful criminal empires, to widespread corruption in police and government, and to a surge of violence and gunfire all over the land. And it produced a powerful attack on the Bill of Rights, including the most successful campaign of gun control laws in America up to that time.

Before the first Prohibition criminalized the trade in alcohol, liquor dealers were ordinary businessmen; after 1920 they were all violent criminals fighting for their territories. We had gang wars, and drive-by shootings, and the use of machine guns by criminals.

We now have the same effects of the first Prohibition in the present Drug War, and Americans appear to be sleepwalking through it with no apparent understanding of what is happening. It is testimony to the truth of Santayana's famous remark that those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it. We must understand that this has all happened before, and for the same reasons.

It is essential that defenders of the 2nd Amendment understand that the whole Bill of Rights is under attack by the Drug War, and that assaults on the 2nd Amendment are a natural part of that trend. What is the main premise of a gun-control law? It is that guns are implements which are too dangerous to entrust to the citizenry. What is the main premise of Drug Prohibition? It is that drugs are substances which are too dangerous to entrust to the citizenry. Both lines of reasoning say that because a few people abuse something, all Americans must be treated like children or irresponsibles. All use is abuse.

This is an extremely dangerous idea for a government, and it leads inevitably to tyranny. It is a natural consequence that such thinking will lead to attacks on the Bill of Rights, because that is the chief defense in the Constitution against abuses of government power.

Since the beginning of the Drug War, no article of the Bill of Rights has been spared from attack. There has been an enormous increase in police power in America, with a steady erosion of protections against unreasonable search and seizure, violations of privacy, confiscation of property, and freedom of speech. We have encouraged children to inform on their parents and we tolerate urine tests as a condition of employment for anyone. All who question the wisdom of Drug Prohibition are immediately attacked and silenced. These are all violations of the Bill of Rights. Are we surprised when the 2nd Amendment is attacked along with the others?

We understand that opponents of the 2nd Amendment exaggerate the dangers of firearms and extrapolate the actions of deranged persons and criminals to all gun owners. That is their method of propaganda. Do we also know that Drug Warriors exaggerate the hazards of drug use--"all use is abuse'--in the same way formerly done with alcohol, and extrapolate the condition of addicts to all users of drugs? That is their method of propaganda. Most Americans are convinced by both arguments, and both arguments depend on the public's ignorance. That is why discussion and dissent is inhibited.

Most Americans are moving to the idea that drugs and guns are evil and should be prohibited. Encouraging one way of thinking supports the other because the logic of the arguments is the same.

Why not prohibit a dangerous evil? If every drinker is a potential alcoholic, every drug-user a future addict, and every gun-owner a potential killer, why not ban them all? There is no defense against this logic except to challenge the lies that sit at the root of the arguments. Those are the lies promoted by the prevailing propaganda in support of all Prohibition. We cannot oppose one and support the other. To do so undermines our efforts because all these movements walk on the same legs.

If we do not explain to people that the fusillade of gunfire in America, the return to drive-by shooting, and our bulging prisons, come from the criminalizing of commerce in illegal drugs, we cannot expect them to listen to a plea that we must tolerate some risk in defense of liberty.

Why should we tolerate, for the sake of liberty, the risk of a maniac shooting a dozen people, when we cannot tolerate the risk that a drug-user will become an addict?

In fact, very few gun-owners are mass murderers and a minority of drug-users are addicts, but people are easily persuaded otherwise and easily driven to hysteria by exaggerating dangers. What addict would be a violent criminal if he could buy his drug from a pharmacy for its real price instead of being driven to the inflated price of a drug smuggler? How many cigarette smokers would become burglars or prostitutes if their habits cost them $200 per day? How many criminal drug empires could exist if addicts could buy a drug for its real cost? And, without Prohibition, what smuggler's territory would be worth a gang war? And why isn't this obvious to all of us?

It is because both guns and drugs have become fetishes to some people in America. They blame guns and drugs for all the intractable ills of society, and they never rest until they persuade the rest of us to share their deranged view of the evil power in an inanimate object.

They succeed, mainly, by lies and deception. They succeed by inducing the immediate experience of anxiety and horror by the mere mention of the words: Guns! Drugs! Notice your reactions. Once that response is in place, it is enough to make us accept any remedy they propose. An anxious person is an easy mark. They even persuade us to diminish the most precious possession of Americans, the one marveled at by every visitor and cherished by every immigrant, and the name of which is stamped on every coin we mint--Liberty. They say that liberty is just too dangerous or too expensive. They say we will have to do with less of it for our own good. That is the price they charge for their promise of our security.

Sincerely,

Amicus Populi


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To: tpaine
socialistic prohibitionist

The Founding Fathers and every generation of American citizens since our nation's beginning are "socialistic prohibitionists?"

The cultists can't conceal their hatred for America or its citizens.

301 posted on 01/16/2003 10:32:43 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Texaggie79
"Tell me, Texaggie79, what reason would the founders give for not protecting the smoking of crack by private citizens?"


hmm... perhaps the same reasons they didn't protect witchcraft in their own state. They saw it as a direct threat, and therefore a violation of other's rights.
286 -aggie-

Witchcraft & smoking are 'direct theats' only in the stange minds of communiarian prohibitionists, which certainly does NOT describe our Founders intent in the writing of the 9th amendment.
302 posted on 01/16/2003 10:38:55 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
Roscoe claims:
The Founding Fathers and every generation of American citizens since our nation's beginning are "socialistic prohibitionists?"


I agree roscoe, you prohibitional cultists can't conceal your hatred for America or its citizens, and constitution.

303 posted on 01/16/2003 10:49:10 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
hatred for America or its citizens, and constitution

It fills your every post.

304 posted on 01/16/2003 10:50:31 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
I agree roscoe, you prohibitional cultists can't conceal your hatred for America or its citizens, and constitution. It fills your every post.
305 posted on 01/16/2003 11:02:35 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Witchcraft & smoking are 'direct theats' only in the stange minds of communiarian prohibitionists

Its interesting how the darkest chapters of American history like witchcraft and other religious persecutions are pointed to as justification for similar mobocratic tyranny that goes on today.

Fortunately, these local tyrannies were quickly extinguished in early America by way of free republican institutions such as jury nullification and separation of governmental powers. Even slavery was being dismantled by these means. Before the knaves could bring us the civil war, they had to destroy these republican institutions first:

Modern knaves such as Roscoe can't even remember their anti-republican predecessors' hatred for these free institutions (such as that of Judge Peleg Sprague) and now 100% of their own hatefulness may be utilized in modern pogroms--and continue completely unchecked.

306 posted on 01/16/2003 11:19:52 AM PST by Libertarian Billy Graham
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham
mobocratic tyranny

Because they reject the moronic position of liberals and libertarians equating doing drugs with the right to keep and bear arms?

Your cult's hatred of our nation, its laws and it citizenry is as predictable as it is impotent.

307 posted on 01/16/2003 11:49:55 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham; yall; Roscoe; Texaggie79; Cultural Jihad; robertpaulsen; All
"Witchcraft & smoking are 'direct theats' only in the stange minds of communiarian prohibitionists"



Its interesting how the darkest chapters of American history like witchcraft and other religious persecutions are pointed to as justification for similar mobocratic tyranny that goes on today.
Fortunately, these local tyrannies were quickly extinguished in early America by way of free republican institutions such as jury nullification and separation of governmental powers. Even slavery was being dismantled by these means. Before the knaves could bring us the civil war, they had to destroy these republican institutions first:
Modern knaves such as Roscoe ---
-LBG-

Good points. -- But don't forget the other 'knaves' on this thread who have defended the prohibitionary philosophy, their unlisted 'states rights' cohort, plus all the drug warriors at FR who refuse to acknowlege that their support of the WOR's is eroding away our liberty.

"There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that authorizes the federal government to wage war against the citizens of the United States, no matter how well-meaning the intent. The Bill of Rights means just as much today, as it did on the day it was written. And its protections are just as valid and just as important to freedom today, as they were to our Founders two hundred years ago. The danger of the drug war is that it erodes away those rights. Once the fourth amendment is meaningless, it's just that much easier to erode away the first and then the second, etc. Soon we'll have no rights at all."
Jim Robinson, 5/9/01 155
308 posted on 01/16/2003 12:28:31 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham; yall; Roscoe; Texaggie79; Cultural Jihad; robertpaulsen; All
"Witchcraft & smoking are 'direct theats' only in the stange minds of communiarian prohibitionists"



Its interesting how the darkest chapters of American history like witchcraft and other religious persecutions are pointed to as justification for similar mobocratic tyranny that goes on today.
Fortunately, these local tyrannies were quickly extinguished in early America by way of free republican institutions such as jury nullification and separation of governmental powers. Even slavery was being dismantled by these means. Before the knaves could bring us the civil war, they had to destroy these republican institutions first:
Modern knaves such as Roscoe ---
-LBG-

Good points. -- But don't forget the other 'knaves' on this thread who have defended the prohibitionary philosophy, their unlisted 'states rights' cohort, plus all the drug warriors at FR who refuse to acknowlege that their support of the WOR's is eroding away our liberty.

"There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that authorizes the federal government to wage war against the citizens of the United States, no matter how well-meaning the intent. The Bill of Rights means just as much today, as it did on the day it was written. And its protections are just as valid and just as important to freedom today, as they were to our Founders two hundred years ago. The danger of the drug war is that it erodes away those rights. Once the fourth amendment is meaningless, it's just that much easier to erode away the first and then the second, etc. Soon we'll have no rights at all."
Jim Robinson, 5/9/01 155
309 posted on 01/16/2003 12:29:37 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
Geez Roscoe, I thought you were the constitution expert...That's why I asked the question instead of making a statement of fact. I don't remember for sure, but I believe the Jefferson reference can be found in federalist #48, but Adams in federalist #45 is pretty good too. Since neither of us seem to know the constituion well enough to debate this point, I'll concede to you so we can get past it and on to an easier reference. I'll go with the most famous Libertarian in history, George Washington.
"Make the most of the Indian hemp seed, and sow it everywhere!"

The father of our country was a Marijuana grower for over thirty years. He used it to treat his chronic tooth aches.

"The Writings of George Washington" Volume 33, page 270.
You'll notice George said "Indian Hemp".
Indian Hemp is Cannibis Indica, used for smoking.
Cannabis Sativa is used for making rope.
310 posted on 01/16/2003 12:30:28 PM PST by radioman
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To: Roscoe
You keep repeaing your same moronic point, that all who oppose your views on the constitutionality of prohibitions are "cultists".

Thus, it is your hatred of our nation, its laws and it citizenry, that is as predictable as it is impotent.
311 posted on 01/16/2003 12:36:56 PM PST by tpaine
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To: radioman; Texaggie79
Can our aggie 'smoking prohibitionist' comment on this founding fathers defense of an "arbitrary right"?

Not likely....
Thanks, R-man.

312 posted on 01/16/2003 12:43:37 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
I think they'ed have thought you a very strange person for even implying that the state should have power to prohibit the smoking of ANYthing.

Not if they considered it witchcraft.......

313 posted on 01/16/2003 1:41:12 PM PST by Texaggie79 (seriously joking or jokingly serious, you decide)
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To: tpaine
Witchcraft & smoking are 'direct theats' only in the stange minds of communiarian prohibitionists

Now you call our founders "communitarian [sic] prohibitionists"?

314 posted on 01/16/2003 1:43:11 PM PST by Texaggie79 (seriously joking or jokingly serious, you decide)
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To: tpaine
Thank you my boy, for showing us your true stripe as a socialistic prohibitionist.

Socialism is a ECONOMIC theory. Why you tag it to your supposed right to do hard drugs is beyond me.

315 posted on 01/16/2003 1:45:04 PM PST by Texaggie79 (seriously joking or jokingly serious, you decide)
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To: tpaine
Hemp, indeed is a great resource and should be legal. Pot is quite harmless, and should also be legal. I have never said different. However, it is still a STATE issue.
316 posted on 01/16/2003 1:47:33 PM PST by Texaggie79 (seriously joking or jokingly serious, you decide)
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To: Texaggie79
Socialism is a ECONOMIC theory.

Good grief. It is also a POLITICAL theory, as is prohibitionism. Why you advocate them is beyond all common sense.

Why you tag it to your supposed right to do hard drugs is beyond me.

I'm not the only one here at FR that does so. Here's a simple explanation as to 'why', -- that I agree with. Can you refute its premise?

"There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that authorizes the federal government to wage war against the citizens of the United States, no matter how well-meaning the intent. The Bill of Rights means just as much today, as it did on the day it was written. And its protections are just as valid and just as important to freedom today, as they were to our Founders two hundred years ago. The danger of the drug war is that it erodes away those rights. Once the fourth amendment is meaningless, it's just that much easier to erode away the first and then the second, etc. Soon we'll have no rights at all." Jim Robinson, 5/9/01 155

317 posted on 01/16/2003 2:06:10 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
"There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that authorizes the federal government to wage war against the citizens of the United States, no matter how well-meaning the intent. The Bill of Rights means just as much today, as it did on the day it was written. And its protections are just as valid and just as important to freedom today, as they were to our Founders two hundred years ago. The danger of the drug war is that it erodes away those rights. Once the fourth amendment is meaningless, it's just that much easier to erode away the first and then the second, etc. Soon we'll have no rights at all." Jim Robinson, 5/9/01 155

Well stated. I agree 100%. The FEDERAL WOD is unconstitutional.

318 posted on 01/16/2003 2:09:51 PM PST by Texaggie79 (seriously joking or jokingly serious, you decide)
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To: Texaggie79
Hemp, indeed is a great resource and should be legal. Pot is quite harmless, and should also be legal. I have never said different. However, it is still a STATE issue.
316 -ta79-

Round you go, aggie, on your circular argument.
Granted, states can 'reasonably regulate' the use & sale of 'pot'. -- They cannot violate the constitution in doing so. Fiat prohibitions are such violations.
319 posted on 01/16/2003 2:12:13 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Texaggie79
"Well stated. I agree 100%. The FEDERAL WOD is unconstitutional."
318 ta79

Good, you agree that federal violations of the BOR's [such as the WOD's] are unconstitutional

Do you agree that state/local violations of our US Constitution are also unconstitutional?
320 posted on 01/16/2003 2:18:38 PM PST by tpaine
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