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Ramp Worker Objected To Takeoff
MSNBC ^
| January 9,2003
| NBC, MSNBC AND NEWS SERVICES
Posted on 01/09/2003 4:27:29 PM PST by John W
CHARLOTTE, N.C., Jan. 9 — The commuter jet that crashed Wednesday, killing all 21 people on board, was loaded so heavily that a ramp worker refused to sign paperwork allowing it to take off, investigators told NBC News on Thursday. The plane was allowed to take off only after a supervisor signed the documents instead, even though the plane was loaded within 100 pounds of its maximum permissible weight and a key guidance mechanism had undergone extensive repairs only two days previously.
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posted on
01/09/2003 4:27:29 PM PST
by
John W
To: John W
From the article and tonights NBC Nightly News:
Goglia said investigators were eager to talk with the crew that performed the repairs Monday in West Virginia.
If the plane “came out of the shop visit and it wasn’t balanced properly,” he said, “... it could be all over the sky.”
“If these particular individuals have done similar work on other airplanes, we want those airplanes looked at immediately,” he said. “We need to know which procedures were followed.”
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posted on
01/09/2003 4:29:47 PM PST
by
John W
To: John W
Shame he didn't have any wheel chocks handy.
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posted on
01/09/2003 4:29:51 PM PST
by
El Sordo
(Just a hobo among the trains of thought)
To: El Sordo
No doubt! The folks here who gave that mechanic "the business" (as Wally Cleaver would say) for that little activity may want to reconsider their viewpoint.
To: El Sordo
Yea, I remember that thread the other day when lots of freepers were all over this worker for stopping a 737 from taking off...
I'm going to see if I can find any of the names and ping them.
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posted on
01/09/2003 4:36:58 PM PST
by
babygene
To: John W
You watch NBC Nightly news?.....Hmmmm Scouting the enemy no doubt.
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posted on
01/09/2003 4:40:44 PM PST
by
mc5cents
To: mc5cents
Yes,duty calls.
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posted on
01/09/2003 4:44:45 PM PST
by
John W
To: babygene; Tennessee_Bob; Travis McGee; xm177e2; Mark17; RedBloodedAmerican; Poohbah
Ping
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posted on
01/09/2003 4:45:16 PM PST
by
babygene
To: John W
Most competent Pilots LISTEN TO the "Ground Crew." "Something's NOT RIGHT, here..." Doc
To: Doc On The Bay
With the large pitch-up it either was loaded very tail heavy or the elevator trim was not right.
There is a report that the elevator trim was just repaired and not recalibrated. If so there is no telling how it was really set.
To: Dan(9698)
"There is a report that the elevator trim was just repaired and not recalibrated. If so there is no telling how it was really set."
I presume it was FLOWN from West Virginia, to North Carolina?
To: truth_seeker
>>>...I presume it was FLOWN from West Virginia, to North Carolina?
If the trim was ok, it was load tail heavy. Something cused the steep pitch-up.
To: John W
Yet another disaster that could've been averted if someone listend to the low man on the totem pole. It has happened before, and still happens today. When will people learn to trust someone when they say it is unsafe.
The ramp worker's supervisor should be charged with 21 counts of murder for what he did.
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posted on
01/09/2003 5:16:24 PM PST
by
flynhghr
To: John W
This makes me sick and mad as hell. These process failures are the cause of most accidents, even when the key part of the process had failed years earlier.
We all go through the humiliating process of being treated like terrorist suspects at the gate, terminal, check-in, and in the waiting area, and the airline chuckleheads can't figure out why they are losing money when people don't want to fly.
The airlines are losing money due to stupidly designed and inherently flawed processes, and then they are so shocked and sorry when a terrible accident happens.
To: John W
From reading the article, it appears that pilot error was not the issue; but pilot stupidity certainly was. If I was a pilot and a ground crewman wouldn't sign-off on a takeoff; I'm not flying!
To: flynhghr
apparently the ramp worker knew how the airplane should look and it didn't look right.
It may have been that the nose strut was too far extended. (didn't have the normal weight on it.)
To: Dan(9698)
If something didn't look right on a plane I was flying on, I'd kinda like someone that is competent to make sure it was safe.
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posted on
01/09/2003 5:23:33 PM PST
by
flynhghr
To: Doc On The Bay
Ground crewman to supervisor: "See, I told you so!"
Supervisor: "Yes, you did. And BTW, you're FIRED!"
To: babygene
As I said on the other thread - the guy who threw the chock was an idiot. Not only did I say that, I gave alternative actions that he could have taken. Go look.
And guess what? This guy could have done the same thing.
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posted on
01/09/2003 5:29:43 PM PST
by
Tennessee_Bob
(Worship the comic http://www sluggy.com)
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posted on
01/09/2003 5:30:07 PM PST
by
Mo1
(I HATE DEMOCRATS !!!)
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